What Did President Trump Do Now?

Raust · 03-19-2017, 10:30 AM

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Wait House Intelligence Chairman says there was no evidence of any collusion with Trump and Russia? Well sheeeeeeit...

I was looking forward to some red scare bull****...

Anteater · 03-19-2017, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

My point was that this is such a narrow view of the government that it borders on wilful ignorance or exclusion. What about infrasctructure? Human rights? Child labor laws? Social security systems?

But nah you've dealt with the government when they taxed your tech company so you know that that's all they do and therefore they are exclusively monsters and there is no room for improvement ever.

But I know they never will improve, so there you go. Why? Because they will never be efficient and don't really want to be. Too many agendas above our heads that the American people can't compete with. And I did talk (albeit briefly) about how ideals don't match reality in regards to social security systems.

Real change will only occur if you can get money out of politics. That won't happen under a Democratic or Republican administration. You need something resembling the Libertarian ideal to be embraced by the mainstream voter.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I don't disagree with that. What I'm asking you to acknowledge is that a significant portion of the population are not actually in a position to do so.

For instance, when Walmart is basically the only option you have, and you have a low income, you shop there for the basic necessities of life, even though it is a terrible company. I never shop there because I am fortunate enough to have other options and the financial capacity to take my business else where.

Agreed: a lot of people have little to work with. You need different companies and industries to set up in an area to have a diversified economy, otherwise you have a lot of what you've described. The government is never going to swoop in and create opportunities for those people, but new companies might.

**Frownland** · 03-19-2017, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

But I know they never will improve, so there you go. Why? Because they will never be efficient and don't really want to be. Too many agendas above our heads that the American people can't compete with. And I did talk (albeit briefly) about how ideals don't match reality in regards to social security systems.

Real change will only occur if you can get money out of politics. That won't happen under a Democratic or Republican administration. You need something resembling the Libertarian ideal to be embraced by the mainstream voter.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Or, you know, you could try a counter argument. Or something with substance. Maybe I'm asking a bit much?

Heavy handed assumptions are pointless. Let me know if you end your love affair with them.

Anteater · 03-19-2017, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Heavy handed assumptions are pointless. Let me know if you end your love affair with them.

Let me know when you guys can do better than generalities about how government is so great and how they'll always look out for the people as long as the word "Democrat" is in there somewhere.

bulbasaur · 03-19-2017, 10:48 AM

those quotes in anteater's sig are fake, right

**Frownland** · 03-19-2017, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Let me know when you guys can do better than generalities about how government is so great and how they'll always look out for the people as long as the word "Democrat" is in there somewhere.

Who's speaking in generalities? You do realize blanket assumptions in the opposite direction are just as moronic as what you describe here, right?

**Janszoon** · 03-19-2017, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

See, that wasn't so hard. If Janszoon can do it, anyone can!

At least you have the common sense to recognize that not all corporations are as you describe. Still doesn't provide a strong argument against the problems I've already illustrated about government though. It's like you read two sentences of my post and then went off on a tangent about corporations.

No, it's like I read your "when you grow up you'll get more conservative" comment and provided a counterexample.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

See, I can decide whether or not I want to buy from a company. I don't get a say in how my taxes are used but the government takes it anyway (state and federal alike). Hence, from my perspective, the government has always been worse than any company and far scarier.

I'm familiar with the libertarian fantasy world, thanks. I used to consider myself somewhat of a libertarian, then I grew up. Maybe someday you'll grow up too.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Also, most of your criticisms about the corporate world apply to government, so if your goal was to support my argument then you hit the jackpot.

The comparison was intentional, congratulations on partially understanding something I articulated to you. It doesn't support your argument though, it highlights the fact that corporations have the downsides that governments have without having even the theoretical positive of protecting people.

Anteater · 03-19-2017, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

No, it's like I read your "when you grow up you'll get more conservative" comments and provided a counterexample.

Sure. When you grow up you realize the government isn't exactly looking out for you. Believing otherwise is a fantasy. I never suggested corporations were an alternative to government (since we are forced to deal with some form of government no matter how you slice it): you made that leap.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I'm familiar with the libertarian fantasy world, thanks. I used to consider myself somewhat of a libertarian, then I grew up. Maybe someday you'll grow up too.

So you "grew up" from being skeptical of government to believing that they're the answer to the world's problems because Bush and Obama said nice things on T.V.? Looks like a step down to me.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

The comparison was intentional, congratulations on partially understanding something I articulated to you. It doesn't support your argument though, it highlights the fact that corporations have the downsides that governments have without having even the theoretical positive of protecting people.

I understood everything you articulated to me: I just thought it was a pointless of you to do so since the only reason you argued against me appears to be "Anteater is wrong for not "believing" in government like I do".

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Who's speaking in generalities? You do realize blanket assumptions in the opposite direction are just as moronic as what you describe here, right?

All I did was propose a possible solution only to get dismissed for basically no reason. You can't have this both ways where you acknowledge you guys are being petty and generalizing and then criticize me just because I think there's merit to certain aspects of conservatism.

**Janszoon** · 03-19-2017, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Sure. When you grow up you realize the government isn't exactly looking out for you. Believing otherwise is a fantasy. I never suggested corporations were an alternative to that: you made that leap.

Never said the government was. I said they're one of the only levers we have to use against corporations.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

So you "grew up" from being skeptical of government to believing that they're the answer to the world's problems because Bush and Obama said nice things on T.V.?

No, I grew up from having simpleminded libertarian anti-government knee-jerk views to understanding that government—which is rife with it's own problems—is one of the only things that can curb corporate abuses.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I understood everything you articulated to me: I just thought it was a pointless of you to make since the only reason you argued against me appears to be "Anteater is wrong for not "believing" in government like I do".

Apparently you didn't understand, considering your descriptions of my position.

The Batlord · 03-19-2017, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Real change will only occur if you can get money out of politics. That won't happen under a Democratic or Republican administration. You need something resembling the Libertarian ideal to be embraced by the mainstream voter.

Cause when gubment takes its hands off big business, big business returns the favor? Yeah ok bud.

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