What Did President Trump Do Now?

Anteater · 03-24-2017, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Is he involved with the case itself? It's only secondhand information if he is. Also it's a lot a bit illegal but whatever.

He didn't retire til 2015 and traveled quite a bit up until that point. I should ask him about it next time we golf. Last time I saw him we mostly talked about how freaked out some of his colleagues were about what Wikileaks was publishing since January. There's quite a few world leaders on the U.S.'s shitlist that watch for updates religiously.

On another note, this article is fairly interesting for those looking at the Trump-Russia story.

Donald Trump: 5 Reasons the Russia Reset May Be Over | Time.com

Chula Vista · 03-24-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think that they spent more time in the past seven years zeroing in on how bad ACA was as a political move than actually crafting policy. Hopefully this will be a kick in the pants that leads to a more coherently constructed policy. Better to own up to your mistakes before they have any real-world effect than to stubbornly push it through because of promises.

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Lisnaholic · 03-24-2017, 08:16 PM

Is "meddlism" a thing in politics? I think it should be acknowledged as such.
Opposition parties are a sign of a healthy democracy, but a downside is that to justify themselves they have to go on opposing stuff, even if the stuff works pretty well. When they get elected, they are honour bound to start meddling with the systems they criticised in opposition.

Mrs. Thatcher was a compulsive meddler: she took apart a nationalised railway system which had worked remarkably well for 50 years. She replaced it with some ill-considered scheme which was obviously going to be less efficient; a privatised system in which the company running the trains was different from the company that owned the tracks, which was different from the company that operated the stations. Predictably, it has proven to be a récipe for disaster and is an example of detrimental meddling.

Luckily, the GOP have tripped over their own shoelaces just as they were about to meddle with Obamacare, which seems to work pretty well. Furthurmore, Obamacare has been delicately put together in the midst of a political minefield, and that it exists at all is quite an achievement. So maybe the best policy is just to leave it alone.

"Let sleeping dogs lie" is a piece of common sense which modern politicians, in their hubris, too often ignore and when they do, it's always the people who have to pick up the tab.

The Batlord · 03-24-2017, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Is "meddlism" a thing in politics? I think it should be acknowledged as such.

Pretty sure it's a step mother thing.

Raust · 03-24-2017, 09:49 PM

**** Ryan Care/ ObamacareLite. If I were Trump I'd listen to Rand Paul. He has his finger on the pulse of this issue. Changing just the penalties from the ACA isn't enough. I'd like to see both parties non partisan work together on this issue.

Chula Vista · 03-24-2017, 11:50 PM

Do the Donald hangers on actually grasp the fact that Ryan and Trump pulled the bill at the last second because they knew that the final vote count was going to look absolutely disastrous if it was made public?

By pulling it they can spin words like "close", "barely", "slim margin", "almost", and "no Dem votes" to try and save at least a tiny margin of face.

The snake oil salesmen (Trump, Price, and Ryan) just got run out of town while being pelted with stones by the American public. AMEN.

And Raust, I'm just about convinced that by-partisanship is no longer a relevent concept when it comes to major policy issues. Sucks, but I think it's the new reality.

The Batlord · 03-25-2017, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

by-partisanship

Now you're just doing it on purpose.

Trollheart · 03-25-2017, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Now you're just doing it on purpose.

Is it time for another Grammar Nazis Week...?

The Batlord · 03-25-2017, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Is it time for another Grammar Nazis Week...?

Urban isn't here to shut us down, so I'd say so.

Lisnaholic · 03-25-2017, 06:50 AM

Ironically, Trump's attempts to discredit and repeal Obamacare have actually made it more popular than ever. This extract from a BBC article explains how:-

Spoiler for The Rise of Obamacare:

...and graphs like this, if they were published in America, must be pretty convincing too:-

03-24-2017, 08:16 PM	#3413 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Is "meddlism" a thing in politics? I think it should be acknowledged as such. Opposition parties are a sign of a healthy democracy, but a downside is that to justify themselves they have to go on opposing stuff, even if the stuff works pretty well. When they get elected, they are honour bound to start meddling with the systems they criticised in opposition. Mrs. Thatcher was a compulsive meddler: she took apart a nationalised railway system which had worked remarkably well for 50 years. She replaced it with some ill-considered scheme which was obviously going to be less efficient; a privatised system in which the company running the trains was different from the company that owned the tracks, which was different from the company that operated the stations. Predictably, it has proven to be a récipe for disaster and is an example of detrimental meddling. Luckily, the GOP have tripped over their own shoelaces just as they were about to meddle with Obamacare, which seems to work pretty well. Furthurmore, Obamacare has been delicately put together in the midst of a political minefield, and that it exists at all is quite an achievement. So maybe the best policy is just to leave it alone. "Let sleeping dogs lie" is a piece of common sense which modern politicians, in their hubris, too often ignore and when they do, it's always the people who have to pick up the tab. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

03-24-2017, 11:50 PM	#3416 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Do the Donald hangers on actually grasp the fact that Ryan and Trump pulled the bill at the last second because they knew that the final vote count was going to look absolutely disastrous if it was made public? By pulling it they can spin words like "close", "barely", "slim margin", "almost", and "no Dem votes" to try and save at least a tiny margin of face. The snake oil salesmen (Trump, Price, and Ryan) just got run out of town while being pelted with stones by the American public. AMEN. And Raust, I'm just about convinced that by-partisanship is no longer a relevent concept when it comes to major policy issues. Sucks, but I think it's the new reality. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

03-25-2017, 06:50 AM	#3420 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Ironically, Trump's attempts to discredit and repeal Obamacare have actually made it more popular than ever. This extract from a BBC article explains how:- Spoiler for The Rise of Obamacare: Nobel-winning psychologist Daniel Kahneman famously pioneered the idea that people tend to fear loss twice as much as they prefer gains. Loss aversion, he said, is when people feel the pain of losing something more than they feel the pleasure of gaining something else, which can leave some wary of taking risks. That could be why the threat of losing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), known as Obamacare, has led to more support for the healthcare law than ever before. "People are looking at what they're losing and it's not clear what they'll be gaining," says Thomas D'Aunno, director of the health policy and management at New York University's Robert F Wagner Graduate School of Public Service. An uncertain future about the country's healthcare is "playing into people's stronger attachment to the ACA", he says. That sentiment is felt by Americans like Cathy DeLoach, who changed her mind on the ACA after her son was diagnosed with testicular cancer and her family spent $29,000 on treatment costs in 15 days. "I stayed with him in the hospital and I had a lot of time to think about how grateful I was for the Affordable Care Act," she told the BBC. Mrs DeLoach, who did not vote for Mr Obama in 2008 and 2012, said she was not a fan of the law when it was first passed, but now worries for her son's future. "This really is something that could be so awful for so many people, and so many poor people, and it's wrong." A recent Health Tracking Poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation found the highest level of favourability for the ACA in more than 60 tracking polls since 2010, when President Barack Obama signed it into law. At its lowest favourability in November 2013, just 33% approved of Obamacare. The recent poll found that 48% of Americans approved of the ACA while 42% said it was unfavourable. ...and graphs like this, if they were published in America, must be pretty convincing too:- __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

03-24-2017, 09:49 PM	#3415 (permalink)
Raust Music Addict Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,411	**** Ryan Care/ ObamacareLite. If I were Trump I'd listen to Rand Paul. He has his finger on the pulse of this issue. Changing just the penalties from the ACA isn't enough. I'd like to see both parties non partisan work together on this issue.