I do. I just feel as though this fits very well under it.

3 is debatable, sure She might have had some but not to the extent that Trump does.

4. This one doesn't apply in the slightest unless you consider Russia our ally.

5. This one happens with all presidents regardless of the party especially when the East has such beef with Western civilization.

6. This is true of both sides it's just the left is a bit more deceptive about it and put on a bigger front like they are helping. They toss more crumbs than what the current administration is doing.

7. This isn't true.

8. Neither is this one although I feel like all of the old fogeys that get picked for Supreme Court are Christians.

9. Sure that can be said for anyone that you dislike so it's a personal taste kind of thing.

10. This one specifically doesn't fit both of them.

11. This is true. It's their jobs to be that way.

12. I'm not sure how this applies to Bill or Hillary. Maybe you can fill me in on that one.

Yeah, adults, sure. Pretend all you want that you are "adults" "discussing" things. Looks a lot like a bunch of children arguing over who gets the last slice of pizza to me.

I think you might have quoted me when I was still mid-edit. This was the final one:

4. was in reference to Israel, Tibet, etc.

My reference to 7. is that Hillary Clinton has flip flopped on environmental issues in the past and supported TPP which has a noted track record of being anti-environmental. Just because she never said global warming was a Chinese hoax doesn't mean she's that much better on those issues. Bernie would have been better than her in this area.

My point on 12. is based on stuff she's said (African-American children 'superpredators') plus her and Bill's history during his first few years dealing with certain pieces of legislation back in the 90's, which you can read about more in detail here. https://www.thenation.com/article/hi...peoples-votes/

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What I don't get is why you guys even come in here to post if you're just going to insult anybody who disagrees with you. Or are you just looking for people to validate your own opinion so you can pat each other on the backs and stimulate your fragile egos? Or perhaps you just get off on bickering with people. The point of discussing is to learn and understand why people have this position and with that understanding it's supposed to bring people together and compromise. It's not to loop yourself into stereotypes and hurl insults at one another furthering the disconnect. Like, you guys come in here and tell anybody that doesn't agree that they are delusional or stupid or bigoted or don't know **** like that's supposed make them think, "oh, he's right!" when all it does is built resentment. And to what end? To make yourself feel bigger because you insulted the other person better? Get the **** out of here. You're wasting your time pretending to be discussing things like rational and mature adults. And the ****ed up thing is, both Trump and Hillary wanted that. They want you to hate each others guts because it makes it that much easier to control you and get your votes when you think the other side is the devil. If you weren't so busy actively getting the other side to resent you so they vote against you we probably wouldn't have had Trump. And trust me, I actually TALKED with Trump supporters to gain a better understanding on how anybody could support him. And they always told me it's because they are sick of the hyperbole and the slander from Hilary supporters.

Remember that time I proved you wrong and proved it's harder for people to illegally immigrate to Canada and all you could do is insult me then rant about how you study this or some stupid **** nobody cared about.

Yeah, pretend all you want. Fake ass punk rocker.

This is why I generally ignore politics unless I want to be childish and throw shade on people. The more you learn about politics, the dumber you get, cause you'll develop opinions, then take sides, then start yelling, and pretty soon you're just in it for the dopamine hits from arguing. It almost never fails, no matter how smart the person is, and it's the catch 22 that will always leave the world ****ed. So I stay dumb and keep my brain.

I completely underestimated the idiocracy of American voters.

Hardly make a difference? The dude is 60 days in and is embroiled in ridiculous amounts of debate, and possible serious scandal.

That stupid ****ing dinner is a Washington/Presidential institution. Just because he's a scared little boy over the whole thing doesn't negate that.

You are 100% right. My creadance with polls has forever been damaged. That being said, how about you post a current link to a positive story relating to Trump's presidency?

I'll wait right here.

All the people who like having discussions and addressing ideas rarely post in here. Its enjoyable when they do.