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Old 03-24-2017, 03:24 PM   #4001 (permalink)
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Trump just ordered Paul Ryan to yank the ACHA bill because it was going to fail miserably. The republicans had 7 years and 1 day to figure out how to repeal the ACA. They have campaigned for that entire time and have won seats on the premise they were going to do it once Obama was out of office. Trump guaranteed he'd get it done. Guaranteed it over and over again. Trump has a majority in the house and senate.
I think that they spent more time in the past seven years zeroing in on how bad ACA was as a political move than actually crafting policy. Hopefully this will be a kick in the pants that leads to a more coherently constructed policy. Better to own up to your mistakes before they have any real-world effect than to stubbornly push it through because of promises. It's like the new season of Rick & Morty: they said it would be here already and while it sucks that it's not, I would rather they take their time and make something worthwhile.
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This is the difference between getting your information secondhand and thirdhand. In the context of what we're talking about, my skepticism of the FBI is based on secondhand information from a close friend who knows that world very well. Chula thinks thirdhand information is better than secondhand and wants to debate me. By default, he loses.
Is he involved with the case itself? It's only secondhand information if he is. Also it's a lot a bit illegal but whatever.
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In the context of what we're talking about, my skepticism of the FBI is based on secondhand information from a close friend.
Your close friend is an idiot for sharing FBI information with a pleeb.

Paul Ryan just on TV blaming the ACA for why the ACHA crashed and burned. Word is that Trump is PISSED PISSED PISSED.

Raise your hand if you'd like to be a republican in Trump's cabinet right now.

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Victory for the elderly.
Victory for those dealing with substance abuse.
Victory for the low income families.
Victory for those with mental health issues.

Major loss for the wealthy, the health care CEOs, the republicans, and most importantly, the Blowhard In Chief.

Highly doubt Melania is going to get any anytime soon. Trump's dick just took a major ass kicking and needs time to try and recover.

Think about this: Trump's presidency, barring impeachment, will be 1,461 days. Think about all of the **** that has gone down in his first 100 days.

He's not even served 7% of his term.
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Is he involved with the case itself? It's only secondhand information if he is. Also it's a lot a bit illegal but whatever.
He didn't retire til 2015 and traveled quite a bit up until that point. I should ask him about it next time we golf. Last time I saw him we mostly talked about how freaked out some of his colleagues were about what Wikileaks was publishing since January. There's quite a few world leaders on the U.S.'s shitlist that watch for updates religiously.

On another note, this article is fairly interesting for those looking at the Trump-Russia story.

Donald Trump: 5 Reasons the Russia Reset May Be Over | Time.com
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Is "meddlism" a thing in politics? I think it should be acknowledged as such.
Opposition parties are a sign of a healthy democracy, but a downside is that to justify themselves they have to go on opposing stuff, even if the stuff works pretty well. When they get elected, they are honour bound to start meddling with the systems they criticised in opposition.

Mrs. Thatcher was a compulsive meddler: she took apart a nationalised railway system which had worked remarkably well for 50 years. She replaced it with some ill-considered scheme which was obviously going to be less efficient; a privatised system in which the company running the trains was different from the company that owned the tracks, which was different from the company that operated the stations. Predictably, it has proven to be a récipe for disaster and is an example of detrimental meddling.

Luckily, the GOP have tripped over their own shoelaces just as they were about to meddle with Obamacare, which seems to work pretty well. Furthurmore, Obamacare has been delicately put together in the midst of a political minefield, and that it exists at all is quite an achievement. So maybe the best policy is just to leave it alone.

"Let sleeping dogs lie" is a piece of common sense which modern politicians, in their hubris, too often ignore and when they do, it's always the people who have to pick up the tab.
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**** Ryan Care/ ObamacareLite. If I were Trump I'd listen to Rand Paul. He has his finger on the pulse of this issue. Changing just the penalties from the ACA isn't enough. I'd like to see both parties non partisan work together on this issue.
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Do the Donald hangers on actually grasp the fact that Ryan and Trump pulled the bill at the last second because they knew that the final vote count was going to look absolutely disastrous if it was made public?

By pulling it they can spin words like "close", "barely", "slim margin", "almost", and "no Dem votes" to try and save at least a tiny margin of face.

The snake oil salesmen (Trump, Price, and Ryan) just got run out of town while being pelted with stones by the American public. AMEN.

And Raust, I'm just about convinced that by-partisanship is no longer a relevent concept when it comes to major policy issues. Sucks, but I think it's the new reality.
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