What Did President Trump Do Now?

**Frownland** · 04-26-2017, 11:20 PM

Don't bring Lorde into this.

Anteater · 04-26-2017, 11:29 PM

Still waiting on you guys (Chula and Elephant) to provide something resembling a legitimate, coherent counterargument to ANY of the points I've made earlier today. 3...2....1...

Oh right, you'd rather whine and make up political positions I supposedly have on numerous issues. Muh badddd.

Chula Vista · 04-26-2017, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

^^^^^ Brilliant.

Jefferey Lord, one of the biggest Trump, and GOP policy appologists on the planet, (dude can't make a point without mentioning Reagan) just said the most repugnent thing on TV I've heard in eons.

To paraphrase: "It's imperative that tax breaks benefit the rich instead of the poor. Poor people don't hire poor people. Rich people hire poor people."

Time out.

5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

I'm wiping my bloody forehead after slamming my skull against a wall a few times.

Linda lost her awesome job 2 years ago. Although having an absolutely stellar resume, all she's found at the age of 56, is part time, at minimum wage, with ZERO benefits. (vacation, sick time, or health care)

Rich people have decided not to hire a few people full time, and instead hire a lot of people part time to save a bunch of money. Ya, let's give them more tax breaks.

I'm losing my ****ing mind here.

Quoting myself to keep the post out front. I'm so my ****ing sick of people who back this attitude. More than 75% of them who voted for Trump are getting ****ed in the ass by his cabinet and policies. And they are too dumb to realize it.

"MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

You still got the bumper sticker on your car?

It's a ****ing wonder why my brain keeps shutting down lately.

**Frownland** · 04-26-2017, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

*Furious masturbation*

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

*Even furiouser masturbation*

Be careful guys, your elbows are gonna go out of you keep jacking yourselves off like this.

Chula Vista · 04-26-2017, 11:37 PM

Ant, your points are so cliche. No need trying to debate them. Keep walking your gilded cage path. Glad it makes you feel comfy.

You're smart. The rest of of us are dumb.

We can't read or comprehend your ideology.

Good for you.

Chula Vista · 04-26-2017, 11:39 PM

Good night.

Furiouser is out of my league at this point.

Anteater · 04-27-2017, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

this for instance is super bonkers

almost nobody (probably literally nobody) rich enough to qualify for the 40% marginal is going to choose not to own a sizeable estate in the US just because the sheer amount of money you have to be drowning in

US property and stock are investments for future profit there is not multi-millionaires who truly believe "might as well not have"

Meh. People who are wealthy at the level you are talking about have their pick of lucrative real estate development opportunities all over the planet. They might buy a property here, but they'll set up their estate elsewhere if it saves them millions to do so. And that's the truth: if you don't see that then then you might want to go actually spend some time studying what the uber-wealthy actually do. Trust me, the U.S. isn't do or die for any of them.

See, I'm all for taxing the living bejesus out of the rich and out of their corporations, but the estate tax isn't the way to go about it because it's basically just a cheap windfall that the uber-rich already work to evade when it could be replaced with something that brings in more revenue (like I suggested earlier). You need a tax code that encourages real accountability for both the government (as in, what the taxed money is actually used for instead of **** all hearsay) and also for the numerous brackets we currently have that already make things more complicated than they really should be. Get rid of the loopholes and create more specific criteria that keeps the wealthy from taking evasive action. It can be done.

**Frownland** · 04-27-2017, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

this for instance is super bonkers

almost nobody (probably literally nobody) rich enough to qualify for the 40% marginal is going to choose not to own a sizeable estate in the US just because the sheer amount of money you have to be drowning in

US property and stock are investments for future profit there is not multi-millionaires who truly believe "might as well not have"

Reminds me of a conversation I had won a dudebro in college. Verbatim

Broseph: If you lower taxes on the rich, they'll pay more taxes than they do now because they wouldn't try to get out of paying their taxes.
Me: who told you that, a rich guy?
Broseph: how'd you know?

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Wrong again. People who are wealthy at the level you are talking about have their pick of lucrative real estate development opportunities all over the planet. They might buy a property here, but they'll set up their estate elsewhere if it saves them millions to do so. If you don't even see something that simple then you might want to go actually spend some time studying what the uber-wealthy actually do. Trust me, the U.S. isn't do or die for any of them.

I'd be fine with them moving, more room for me. Do we need to build a wall to keep the wealthy in?

Anteater · 04-27-2017, 08:28 AM

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I'd be fine with them moving, more room for me. Do we need to build a wall to keep the wealthy in?

I'm sure the U.S. government would love to do that if they could wrap their heads around a better means.

For instance, you can give up your citizenship for just a few thousand dollars. However, there are supposedly large numbers of wealthy expats who give up their citizenship in the U.S. every year in order to start businesses oveseas. Why not replace the estate tax with something that targets those people instead as they "leave", AKA a better exit tax than what we have now? That would bring in way more revenue on an annual basis and it is nearly impossible to dodge.

Chula Vista · 04-27-2017, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I'm sure the U.S. government would love to do that if they could wrap their heads around a better means.

For instance, you can give up your citizenship for just a few thousand dollars. However, there are supposedly large numbers of wealthy expats who give up their citizenship in the U.S. every year in order to start businesses oveseas. Why not replace the estate tax with something that targets those people instead as they "leave", AKA a better exit tax than what we have now? That would bring in way more revenue on an annual basis and it is nearly impossible to dodge.

5,411 people gave up US citizenship in 2016. An all time record number.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw.../#8000937503d6

The US population as of 2015 was calculated as 321.4 million. You want me to do the math for you? Raising the exit tax on 5,000 people isn't going to do squat for the economy. By comparison, raising the estate tax would affect millions of people.

PS: 5,411 represents 0.0017% of the population. Swing and a miss buddy.

04-26-2017, 11:20 PM	#4091 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Don't bring Lorde into this. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-26-2017, 11:37 PM	#4095 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Ant, your points are so cliche. No need trying to debate them. Keep walking your gilded cage path. Glad it makes you feel comfy. You're smart. The rest of of us are dumb. We can't read or comprehend your ideology. Good for you. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

04-26-2017, 11:39 PM	#4096 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Good night. Furiouser is out of my league at this point. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”