Nah bro, my opinions are punk af.

The phrase strawman has become the easiest, most convenient word in the English language to utilize to basically go "Nah Nah Nah Nah, I know you are but what am I?"

It should simply be obsoleted.

Example: I'm losing an argument. Accuse the other guy of using strawman points. Yay, now I'm winning!!

Weak DWV. Very weak.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ - You misrepresented my argument and then argued against your misrepresentation.. Would you rather me call you retarded?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/01/01653...4b3f5836e0.jpg

I was supposed too, but I couldn't resist using that epic Billy Madison quote.. I'm happy to continue insulting you though elph. It's always a pleasure :D

So much for being on ignore. I knew he couldn't resist.

You're resorting to grade school tactics now. It's almost getting embarrassing.

I've made a lot of valid points in this thread. Brought up real world personal expereince. And pointed out your preconception of painting most everyone on government assistance as somehow being losers. You've made the same types of broad brush statements over and over again - displaying your predudice, and cherry picking the **** out of the posts of people who are callng you out on your overall tone on the subject.

Yet I'm accused of adding nothing to the discussion. Don't agree with me = nothing. Check.

Again, DWV, you ****ing rule this thread dude. Carry on.

You're not on ignore, I don't use that feature. I'm just not going to engage in anymore bickering.

You guys are making the assumption that most people getting assistance are people that need it. When a lot of us have witnessed plenty of people that do take advantage of it because they are too lazy to get a job.

My father collected government assistance while doing side jobs that he never paid taxes on.

My sister collected government assistance even though her husband who was fully capable of getting a job never looked for a job. Even used my name which I saw nothing of even though I was literally starving at the time.

My friends mom has collected government assistance her whole entire life and has never worked or even looked for a job. She did go to college though. Payed for by the government as well.

I have another friend who collected government assistance with out ever looking for a job. He sold drugs instead. Oh, and his mom would send him a couple thousand dollars and he'd money slap people with it.

The only other person I know that gets government assistance is my friend who has an extreme case of narcolepsy that prevents him from working and they only give him assistance if he's taking college classes.

The only case I can make for the people that don't need is most of the time they have kids and I don't think the children should starve because of a lazy parent.

So according to my personal experience the statistics show that there are extreme flaws in how we do government assistance. I know that's not reliable, but I highly doubt anybody has the real numbers because any collected data is not going to factor in the amount of people that are getting away lying and cheating the system or receiving it even though they don't need it. It can't.

That is why there is a stigma. Too many people personally know somebody that sits on there ass and collects welfare that doesn't need it while they work their ass off just to make the same amount. Don't ignore this or dismiss is it. Put your arrogance away and think about it.

Edit: The most messed up thing is my dad received assistance because they were under the impression that he couldn't work because of his back while he was doing labor jobs that completely contradicts that. My brothers wife who has severe cerebral palsy to the point where she can hardly walk can't receive any government assistance because she's proven she can work by holding down a call center job for 7 years.

The role of government in people's lives is never going to be something all people agree upon unilaterally. Geography and circumstances differ too much between individuals to ever achieve consensus. Hence all this heated argument.

Maybe there will be a good excuse someday as mankind gets closer to the singularity (the elimination of most inhibiting factors right now in society thanks to stuff like CRISPR and the advancement of AI) to downsize the role government tends to play in our lives.

Until then though, whether you realize it or not, you are at the government's mercy for better or for worse. :laughing:

I just hate when that stigma finds a way to influence government to pass laws that **** people who honestly need it. Ever been behind someone in a supermarket line who looks absolutely disgusted and appalled having to pay for their food with food stamps? I've never seen people look so defleated. Don't lump them in with any of your narrative.

On one hand I want to :clap: and on the other hand I want to say DUH!

Fixing all of this is basically impossible in our current OVERALL situation.

Yeah, that's very true. I don't think government assistance has been big enough of a problem for us to stress about as much as we do. There are much more expensive wastes of money. Like those tax loopholes Trump promised to fix and I haven't heard anything about since he became president.