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Old 04-13-2017, 03:26 PM   #4731 (permalink)
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Admittedly, I haven't read up on Hiroshima/Nagasaki much, but I thought this was worth inserting into the discussion.
Exactly - Japan was obsessed with saving as much face as possible. They even found a silver lining with the bombs, thinking at least now people will see they HAD to surrender and the surrender didn't happen because of some social or political push.

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Now that is interesting. Thanks man.
I still believe FDR deserves his place in history regardless. He was a great leader, even incapacitated as he was.
You can still love FDR - Truman dropped the bombs.
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Old 04-13-2017, 03:27 PM   #4732 (permalink)
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Additionally greed is just as much a problem for Capitalism if you are hard glued to the idea that humans are naturally terrible (bs those in power always push to justify being terrible)
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Old 04-13-2017, 03:30 PM   #4733 (permalink)
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Holy Moly. The goalposts have been majorly moved.

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

21,000 pound bomb. That's like 70 Frowland's.
We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.
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We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.
Pretty much what I thought. Trump is going trigger-happy now, so the generals are probably jangling some ISIS keys in front of his face.
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We are also incredibly empathetic and cooperative

And largely a product of social influences

You have an incredibly simple view of human nature rejected by most anthropologists at this point basically
Duh.

There's some nature and nurture involved in every aspect of our being.

More simplistic than saying humans are naturally greedy to some extent on average?
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Do you understand what's meant by social influences though

And yes that's still an overly simplistic statement
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We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.
How do they fly bomber aircraft into these caves without them crashing into the cave walls?

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How do they fly bomber aircraft into these caves without them crashing into the cave walls?

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They don't have to fly into the caves that's why they used a more powerful bomb so they can drop it from overhead and it will still destroy all the tunnels within the cave. Use your noggin sir.
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This seems to be an ominous development to me, for two reasons:-

i) throwing heavy artillary and big bombs at troops is often strategically ineffective. It didn't help much in the First World War, and it didn't help much in Vietnam.
ii) at a time when most of the world is worried about N.Korea's escalating military showmanship, the US is setting a pretty bad example.

Depending on how many innocent Afgans have been killed, it could also turn into another home goal in the game of international PR, if you know what I mean; that the Afgans will not see the US as protecting them from extremists, but as aggressors instead.
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