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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1781669)

I don't make a lot and I don't use food stamps even though I'm applicable because I feel it's makes me less of a person. If I can't provide for myself, I don't feel that someone else should be forced to provide for me. If you make a livable income and are on food stamps, you're a piece of ****.

Yeah this. Unless I had kids or something.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1781648)

My bad, no one cheats the welfare system and the rich always pay as much tax as they possibly can. Welfare queens and tax evaders are just as mythical as big foot.

I don't even want to respond to this again. I'm sure I already know your position just based off of how you vote.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1781657)

Work as a grocery store cashier and tell me the majority of people on food stamps aren't lazy assholes abusing the system. The majority view on the system has been my experience with tons of people I don't know. I've met very few people who are actually trying and on food stamps.

Your judgement is clouded by your anecdotal evidence. I have seen the other side of the coin. Just like how people have too much pride to be on Welfare. There are people that want to get off of it and would desperately love to be working again if they could find a job. Being on welfare isn't the luxurious life at all. The way it is currently set up especially in NY. It is actually hard to get off of Welfare because of how much the system hinders you from trying to get training on the side or going back to school/taking GED courses to better yourself and actually qualify for a better job. Sure there are people that abuse/commit fraud but the percentage of people that do so are few compared to the rest of the cases that legit need help. Businesses take welfare from the government but god forbid someone falls on hard times and needs some assistance after paying into the same system their entire life. That's what it is there for. It was meant to be a transitional temporary program but it has been so corrupted that people end up getting stuck on it and being unable to find work.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1781669)

Yeah that's the thing. People aren't making a livable income. Not everyone can run home to mommy and daddy to have them provide food for them. The majority of people that benefit the most from food stamps are children, the disabled, veterans and seniors. Obama phones are hardly iPhones. They are piece of **** flip phones. Also having lobster for one night then eating ramen noodles and going to food pantries for the rest of the month is hardly the glamorous life that the welfare queen narrative makes it out to be.

Maybe you should apply for food stamps and take the burden off of your parents having to provide food for you. You paid into the system when you were working why not take advantage of it. It's okay. I know you won't do it because you are too prideful and think that people are a piece of **** for surviving.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1781691)

I don't even want to respond to this again. I'm sure I already know your position just based off of how you vote.

Your judgement is clouded by your anecdotal evidence. I have seen the other side of the coin. Just like how people have too much pride to be on Welfare. There are people that want to get off of it and would desperately love to be working again if they could find a job. Being on welfare isn't the luxurious life at all. The way it is currently set up especially in NY. It is actually hard to get off of Welfare because of how much the system hinders you from trying to get training on the side or going back to school/taking GED courses to better yourself and actually qualify for a better job. Sure there are people that abuse/commit fraud but the percentage of people that do so are few compared to the rest of the cases that legit need help. Businesses take welfare from the government but god forbid someone falls on hard times and needs some assistance after paying into the same system their entire life. That's what it is there for. It was meant to be a transitional temporary program but it has been so corrupted that people end up getting stuck on it and being unable to find work.

Yeah that's the thing. People aren't making a livable income. Not everyone can run home to mommy and daddy to have them provide food for them. The majority of people that benefit the most from food stamps are children, the disabled, veterans and seniors. Obama phones are hardly iPhones. They are piece of **** flip phones. Also having lobster for one night then eating ramen noodles and going to food pantries for the rest of the month is hardly the glamorous life that the welfare queen narrative makes it out to be.

Maybe you should apply for food stamps and take the burden off of your parents having to provide food for you. You paid into the system when you were working why not take advantage of it. It's okay. I know you won't do it because you are too prideful and think that people are a piece of **** for surviving.

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Good thread, DJ. Good OP and good defense of the unemployed and the working poor. :clap:

DJ, you keep talking about "percentages" yet you haven't provided any actual evidence of this to be the case. You're info is no more valid than DWV's unless you're able to prove that it's true.

I think there are a lot of people on either side, abusing the system and needing the system. But I do not believe throwing money at a person (regardless of the sum) helps to fix a problem. Looking anecdotally at the issue, much like DWV, most people I've seen in these situations are there because more than anything else they're lazy. Tax dollars shouldn't have to pay them to sit around.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781783)

It doesn't make you less of a person to accept help from people Jesus Christ our society teaches ****ty values

Nah. I just don't see why I should be on food stamps when I have the ability to make more when people on food stamps don't have the ability to make more. It makes me selfish if I have access to a livable income (but don't bother) to put myself into the same league as those that are disabled or unable to work due to health reasons.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781787)

This is your problem, your anecdotal evidence is subject to confirmation bias

Start using basic scientific method

The problem of poverty is not explained away by "people are lazy"

dude you really need to stop putting words in my mouth. I directly said IN MY EXPERIENCE, I never said it was a general rule. I know there's more to poverty to laziness, but that doesn't mean there isn't lazy people that are poor for that very reason.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781787)

This is your problem, your anecdotal evidence is subject to confirmation bias

Start using basic scientific method

The problem of poverty is not explained away by "people are lazy"

You're right, it's explained by people making bad decisions(most of the time). My problem isn't with the system, it's how they determine and monitor eligibility.

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1781793)

Granted, this is also my own experience, but po' people ain't lazy. They do dumb ****, rationalize why there's no point in trying to better themselves, and spend much of their money on weed and ****, but they work their asses off way more than Republicans would have you believe. So many of my coworkers have two jobs and fight for hours, and yet they don't put the same effort into trying to pick up a trade or take community classes, largely because the system has convinced them that this is simply their lot in life. It's not laziness, just acceptance.