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DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1829167)
If you get your opinions from personal experience rather than study

Yeah they will be fickle and change with age

Thats partially true, but as the word implies not all topics have objective reasoning to support them.

elphenor 04-28-2017 05:07 PM

But there's a lot of opinions that are so wrong they aren't even humored in political science despite their popularity

Like poverty being a personal responsibility issue

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 05:10 PM

It's a multi-faceted issue, and personal responsibility is one of many. Well, really we should discuss your usage of the word poverty, before I can stand behind that statement. If you're talking about the systematic history of inner city poverty I agree, but when we get into things like middle class families going bankrupt and unreasonable personal debt, I think my point holds true.

Chula Vista 04-28-2017 05:23 PM

Can we all at least agree on the following:

1. Legal legistlations that allow the rich to not have to play fair are bad.

2. All poor people born into poverty simply can't bust their butts and, "poof" escape poverty. It's a shame a lot of folks think this way. You should be ashamed.

3. The rich and and finacially successful people are either intolerent, ignorant, or outright arrogant about the less fortunate in this country, and everything that led up to that being the norm.

4. ALL politicians suck. Pick your battles.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 05:28 PM

I don't think I've ever said anything that would make you think I didn't agree with those things. Though I'm somewhat hesitant to generalize as broadly as you did in point 3, I believe a majority fit that description.

Frownland 04-28-2017 05:28 PM

I agree on 1 and 4 for sure. I agree with number 2 except for the "you should be ashamed part" because I have yet to see anybody post or imply that stance. I don't agree on number 3 because it's too black and white and pretty obviously false even though there is a lot of validity to that sentiment.

djchameleon 04-28-2017 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829155)
It was my fault. I made that decision. I learned a lot from it, and I'm thankful to have had it. It made me financially responsible, motivated, and gave me an amazing work ethic. I didn't ever complain or make excuses, I got through it putting in the work. So sure you can insult me, I'm not easily offended.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1829178)
I don't think I've ever said anything that would make you think I didn't agree with those things. Though I'm somewhat hesitant to generalize as broadly as you did in point 3, I believe a majority fit that description.

You seem to take up the position that because I made it through rough situations in life to get where I am then everyone else should be able to as well. It is very much an attitude of well I did it so anyone else that can't do it is because they aren't responsible enough and I disagree with that line of thinking. Yes some people do **** up in their lives but the whole bootstrap mentality that you are advocating for isn't beneficial for society as a whole.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 10:58 PM

Actually it is and you did not accurately describe my position. You seem to think that advocating for taking responsibility is the only thing i believe in. I thought i made that clear maybe you didnt read the entirety of the discussion or i did a poor job explaining (half my comments were half assed responses to elph so i could see how there might be confusion).

Edit: i can reitterate tomorrow, but tbh im in a pissy mood and on my phone so i really dont have the motivation to give you a better answer atm.

djchameleon 04-28-2017 11:05 PM

So instead of trying to fix the current safety nets that are in place to reduce the minor level of abuse that takes place. What do you propose be done instead?

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 11:08 PM

Why do you think it needs to be instead of? Along side of is more like it. Also see my edit.


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