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Old 04-29-2017, 01:59 PM   #5041 (permalink)
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Demonstrate how it's good for society as a whole to be treated like children and never strive to improve problems through action.
And once again.

Stop painting with a broad brush.

My mentally ill 28 year old son gets $200 a month in food stamps because he's incapable of holding down a steady job due to his illness. Should he just suck it up and find away to ignore the demons in his brain?

My bread winning dad ran out on my mom when her kids were 1, 3, and 5 years old. She wasn't able to make ends meet working a job and having to pay for childcare so she could work, so she had to go on welfare. Explain what kind of action she should have taken to keep her kids fed.
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Old 04-29-2017, 02:05 PM   #5043 (permalink)
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Yeah but it's not about saving money it's about humiliating people who need help

Take Republicans pushing drug testing for welfare recipients

It costs more to do the tests than to just let some junkies eat
Agree 100%, I was just adding the economic side to the equation. Unnecessary testing and screening is a waste of time and resources as well as humiliating and moralizing.
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And once again.

Stop painting with a broad brush.

My mentally ill 28 year old son gets $200 a month in food stamps because he's incapable of holding down a steady job due to his illness. Should he just suck it up and find away to ignore the demons in his brain?

My bread winning dad ran out on my mom when her kids were 1, 3, and 5 years old. She wasn't able to make ends meet working a job and having to pay for childcare so she could work, so she had to go on welfare. Explain what kind of action she should have taken to keep her kids fed.


I dont have a problem with either of those examples receiving gov assistance.
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Force people to look for a job of the want assistance.
Sounds good on paper in practice there's actually barely any people who are able to work collecting welfare

Or usually they have a job and still need assistance
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On the other, if you know you need to be clean to get welfare
Regardless, substance dependence shouldn't make you less eligible for benefits.

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Force people to look for a job of the want assistance.
That's how it's done most places, I reckon. It's how it works in Norway, at least.

DWV, my problem here is that you brought up personal choices as a factor of seemingly macroeconomically significanct factor for why people are unemployed/on benefits/experienceing hardships. I don't see what that brings to the discussion apart from implying that people shouldn't receive benefits if their situation is caused by bad decision-making - and who's supposed to be the judge of that? Bureaucrats?

Fixation on personal decision-making is for the neoliberals who cut in out welfare, admittedly to create "incentives" to work.

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Sounds good on paper in practice there's actually barely any people who are able to work collecting welfare
I don't know about the US, but in Norway there are many able-bodied people receiving unemployment benefits due to transitional unemployment.
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Oh unemployment is different

It works the same here afaik
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Regardless, substance dependence shouldn't make you less eligible for benefits.
I already agreed with this in the first sentence you decided to remove from the quote.


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DWV, my problem here is that you brought up personal choices as a factor of seemingly macroeconomically significant factor for why people are unemployed/on benefits/experienceing hardships. I don't see what that brings to the discussion apart from implying that people shouldn't receive benefits if their situation is caused by bad decision-making - and who's supposed to be the judge of that? Bureaucrats?
I'm getting sick of rehashing the same points everytime someone new enters the discussion. Go back 10 or so pages and read.

Here: http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...ml#post1828726
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I dont have a problem with either of those examples receiving gov assistance.
Examples? We're talking about human beings here.

You do realize that these two "examples" are representative of a large number of people relying on social programs. I get that you are angry about the leeches that game the system, but you should be a bit more sensitive about the way you are expressing things.
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I'm getting sick of rehashing the same points everytime someone new enters the discussion.
Then maybe re-think your approach because again, your overall tone on the subject is judemental and harsh. And even though you toss in a few nuggets of compassion now and then they are getting completely overshadowed.
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