Frownland

I understand what you mean, but pushing through an impeachment on shaky legal grounds is going to be just as or even more politically unsound as standing by Trump.

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Frownland

If immigration is a federally handled issue, then any immigration laws issued by smaller forms of government are unconstitutional .

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Chula Vista

It's been less than a year. We're in a drip drip drip process. Sooner or later the puddle is going to get pretty damn big. And it's raining right now.

When asked about the mood of GOP folks on Capital Hill this morning the two words used were "errosion" and "corrosion" of support for the President.

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OccultHawk

Talk ain't never been cheaper.

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Frownland

Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds

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OccultHawk

I agree. The press acting like this is airtight is lol.

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Chula Vista

KNOCK! KNOCK! KNOCK!

The Senate handles impeachment proceedings.

Kushner lied on his forms to get security clearance.
Trump Jr. lied on his forms to get security clearance.
Michael Flynn lied about Russian connections.
Jeff Sessions lied about Russian connections.
Paul Manafort lied about Russian connections.
And on and on.......

Trump has two options:
1. Pleads ignorance and looks stupid and incompetent and completey out of control of his presidential campaign and current cabinet.
2. Owns up and becomes the biggest liar of them all.

Trump Jr. committed a crime. Manafort and Kushner were in on it. As soon as a foreign government reached out and basically said "We can help you win", the FBI should have been brought in.

The absolute worst thing to do was to respond with "Awesome!"

That is so black and white illegal it's not debatable. Maybe not in the word for word court of law, but the Senate can determine that this **** is not presidential. Doesn't serve the American people. Doesn't help our standing on the International stage. Is just plain wrong on every level.

It's not "conviction", for the third time. It's impeachment.

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Frownland

I can repeat things too
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds

Also, you can be impeached and not convicted of the crime you are impeached for, like Clinton did.

Uh, no. For reasons already stated that you'll continue to ignore.

Which would make it so debatable that it ceases being a black and white issue.

I find it inspiring that you think the Senate will take it upon itself to determine this, but your wishful thinking is only going to set you up for disappointment, sorry bro.

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OccultHawk

lock it up Jan

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Chula Vista

Are you drunk? You're not paying any attention to my context. You are just arguing at this point.

Foreign governments are not allowed to be involved in influencing a US election.

It's illegal.

Once again, here's the text of the email that Trump Jr. responded to with "AWESOME!"

Are you purposely being obtuse just to debate, or are you really this obtuse. Please count to 10 and take a few deep breaths before responding.

I'm not trying to fight you. I'm just trying to apply logic about something that is so wrong on so many levels.

You cool with the fact that one of our 2-3 biggest enemies on the planet, and an ugly regime/country might have ultimately helped elect our current leader?

And we are already paying for it. The Senate just voted to keep Russian sanctions in place and Trump is currently trying to find a way to veto it.

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