I wonder what Edward Snowden thinks about that? ;)

That was my thought when I saw the headline too. Expect a post from Chula blaming Bush.

How about we stay in the here and now for a change?

And Snowden is relevant to Trump's tweet how?

Is this a serious question or are you playing with us?

Spell it out for the old man.....

With each passing hour Trump is looking more and more like a ridiculous idiot for his 6:30 AM tweet this morning making false accusations.

In order to get a wiretap you have to go through the FBI and document the reasons why. Whoever is the current president has access to all FBI records so Trump was 1st grade stupid to make these claims considering he should be able to back them up - but obviously can't.

Even his staff have been quiet in the last 12 hours, since they were completely blindsighted by the Donald's latest tantrum, and can't come up with any easy spin.

Commander in Chief? :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ident-us.shtml

Considering what we've seen over the last eight years (and even before that during the Bush administration) I think it might be a teensy bit naive of you to think the U.S. government wouldn't wiretap citizens of interest illegally. Where Trump is off base is assuming he was the ONLY one being wiretapped. :D

So give me a synopsis of Alex Jone's podcast today.

I'll do you one better.

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The Obama Administration did a fantastic job expanding the NSA especially during their last weeks in office.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...gence-sharing/

As for the Donald saying he was being spied on by Obama and his administration during his campaign, it wouldn't surprise me. Whether it was deliberate or not is up for debate, but we are all being watched by our government. It's unconstitutional and has been admitted by our former president that we are all being watched. Mass surveillance is no longer a secret and is a huge money pit that doesn't even help our nations security. **** the NSA.

He specifically said PHONE TAP.

14 hours later and still no response from his staff. That says a lot.

And this has exactly what to do with the current president accusing the former president of a crime, with absolutely no proof, as well as reffering to him as "sick"???

OH THE HORROR!!!!!!!1!!!1!!l

Proof or no proof, he heard something from someone that raised some alarm bells about unauthorized surveillance and I guess it freaked him out. *points to last few posts in regards to the NSA, etc.*

I'm not being an apologist in this case...I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if his accusations turned out to be true based on a variety of things that we've been seeing over the last decade.

President of the United States. Comander in Chief. Leader of the Free World.

What a ****ing joke.

I guess if I respected the presidency I would be upset too, but here we are and I just think it distracts from things that actually matter.

It's not about you. Try thinking about the big picture.

Because of the chair he sits in, everything he says and does resonates with millions of people ALL OVER THE WORLD.

- His alt-right rabid followers are feeling even more empowered which is scary.
- Those who voted for him at the last second are suffering major buyers remorse.
- Our allies are freaking out, wondering what the idiot is going to do next.
- His cabinet is in disarray. The infighting and leaks are dangerous to the country's stability.
- Our enemies are ****ing dancing around fires naked and drunk with glee.
- Russia.

The joke is over. He's the president. At what point will he begin acting presidential - in the best interest of the US, and the world at large? He had about 10 hours of legitimacy after his address on Tuesday, which has already been long forgotten.

Current story is that's he FURIOUS with his advisors for letting Sessions recluse himself, and stealing his Tuesday thunder. Word is that there's been more expletives spouted by a president in the last 24 hours than in the previous 16 years.

Distracting from things that actually matter? Definitely. How presidential. Meanwhile this **** matters to a hell of a lot of people on this orb - regardless of your apathy.

Ja see you clearly respect the chair way more than I do.

Freaking out and blubbering about the dumbest things possible doesn't help anything. This **** is a two way street.

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This is so funny considering your avatar! :laughing:
Um, yeah, I was about to say that too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_disqualification

Another post from Chula that I agree with. :thumb:

I don't think "respect for the chair" is a relevent issue. Do I respect dentistry? Who cares. I just know that when I go to the dentist, I expect him to behave responsibly and to know how to do his job. From what I see, Trump and his appointees are failing the American people in that regard and as a result they are causing so much damage that it's hard to keep track of. Here are a couple of background stories that are being squeezed out by more publicized controversies, but if I were an American, I'd be worried about these issues too:-

Trump's impact on the tourist industry:-

Trump Slump: How Donald Trump Policies Hurt Tourism, Economy | Money

Tillerson is dangerously out of his depth:-

State Department silent while other countries shape the message - CNNPolitics.com

Trump's travel expenses:-

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lago-taxpayers

I think that those expectations are a manifestation of the respect that I was talking about. I don't have those expectations so I don't particularly care if my president sounds like a paranoid idiot because this wouldn't be the first time. I think making a big stink out of something like this which will essentially will have zero effect on our lives (and no, "but he makes da nazis happy!" is not a valid point here) allows Trump to get away with actual policy while everyone is yelling at the manufactroversy.

Obama can handle being called sick. I'm sick of Trump's bs but the rabid hate boners aren't exactly a good alternative.

You just don't get it. BIG. PICTURE.



I know it's a fun game for you to always disagree with everything I post here though, so my expectations will remain extremely low.

And when you participate in every media circus surrounding Trump, you help paint that picture just as much as Trump does. Think about the big picture before you freak out about pointless minutae just because the mother****er's not on your team.

So I get your point dude. It's just a **** point to make.

To be fair, I've been disappointed by every president I've lived through so far. The difference between Trump and guys like Obama, Bush and Clinton is that the latter three say nice things on T.V. in an educated manner while they throw people (and entire nations) under the bus, whereas Trump doesn't hide it at all: he's a savvy marketer but not a savvy politician.

A double edged sword, I'd say. More transparency but more pointless noise.

I have to agree with Frown.. It's not that I don't care, I just think the media sensationalism is a distraction from the more important issues, and gives him an excuse to continue acting the way he does. I wish twitter banned his fucking account tbh.

Great article about dealing with all that media outrage.

5 Ways To Stay Sane In An Era Of Non-Stop Outrage

I don't even the watch the news or anything.. Chula spams this thread so often, and people are so active in it that I just come here if I wanna know what's going on outside my bubble of ignorance.

So thank you MB news.

One aspect of my point is that it's just not us that have an opinion. It's a good chunk of the rest of the world. One of the responsibilities of the presidency is to maintain an image of stability, maturity, strength, esteem, and respect for those who are not our enemies.

Do you know how much damage Bush did with our allies when he uttered the now famous phrase "You're either with us, or against us".

So far Trump is coddling Russia, pissing off China (take a look at the majority of items in your house to see where they are made - including whatever device you're going to use to reply to this), ****ting all over Mexico, and talking down to our European partners like they are second class nations.

Ya, the media is splashing out erverything - that's what they do. And our president should be sensitive to that fact. Not ignorant of it. He's the one that's in control of the news. Not the media.

You say that now until Trump does or says something to piss off China and causes WW3.

Like, I don't know, walking out on stage, pulling down his pants and whirling his dick around like a windmill.

YOU guys don't care how he acts or portrays himself, but I assure you most other people, especially ones in important places, do. And that's how it effects you. That's also why the other presidents acted with more class. Don't think Obama wanted to just come out and tell people to **** themselves or something? That's why it's called politics. You have to politic.

Edit: I find it funny how so many people will judge one another for arbitrary bull**** but not expect it to happen to a president.

The China situation sounds like one of those

Letting him drive the news with these faked up controversies only encourages this behaviour btw.

Are you seriously implying that Trump would act any differently? Nah, his behavior will always be the same ****. He's an attention whore. If we ignore him he'll just try harder to get attention. We've seen this happen on this forum.

I get your point that Chula is addicted to recreational outrage and this bull**** distracts people from even more serious matters, but it still effects you and should worry you a bit that we have a president that makes our government look weak, vulnerable, unpredictable and dangerous to other countries.

*affects

His tweet at New Year was :usehead: and :D:D

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I think that if his tweets and stuff were met with a shrug and a "so what?" instead of with outrage/defense, I definitely think that he would reel it in a bit, yes.

And I guess Obama couldn't bench that much or something because he was being called weak for his whole presidency. I think America's shining worldwide image (lulz) can take it. It could be better but this situation and the clones of it that we've seen throughout this whole campaign and presidency are not as terrifying as I've heard them made out to be.

Not so much addicted but quite a bit vested. My wife and I will both turn 57 this year. I'm terrified that Paul Ryan now has a majority to try to get his policy of privatizing SS and Medicare through. I have two adult children who I worry about. Maintaining a good relationship with China allows me to have a job. My home value is very high and stable right now. Worst case we could sell our house, outright buy a smaller place in a less nice part of town, and still have a boatload of cash in the bank to survive on.

Unlike some of you, all of this day to day stuff matters to me very much. If any of it goes south in a very bad way it could seriously **** me over.

^ That article is a pretty good antidote to some of the exaggerated outrage going on. I'm going to try and take its advice to heart...


^ :laughing: That never ocurred to me, but it would certainly benefit us all I suspect!

I guess the key is to sort out the media sensationalism from the actual economic/social/diplomatic damage that Trump is inflicting on America. As far as I can judge, there's enough of that to cause genuine concern.

Years ago, as a teenager in England, I was oblivious to what was going on in politics, happy to think that none of it affected me, "and it's true sometimes you can see things that way." As I got older, though, the big picture became more intrusive; your friend's father who loses his job, prices go up, a relative can't afford health cover, other people are mis-spending your hard-earned your tax dollars and environmental damage escalates. That's when you start to realise that politicians are screwing ordinary people at every turn. That's when I decided that if nothing else, I should at least keep an eye on how I was being screwed.

Bottom line: I believe Trump is doing serious damage to the USA, which has a knock-on affect in other parts of the world, and he deserves to be called out on it.

What a nice attempt to establish a unique authority on the situation. It's too bad your actions have proven that notion to be false.

Also remember,