What Did President Trump Do Now?

**Frownland** · 01-31-2017, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Shhh Nea, you can't cite news here that doesn't align with Buzzfeed, the New York Times or Huffington Post.

Chula Vista · 01-31-2017, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Shhh Nea, you can't cite news here that doesn't align with Buzzfeed, the New York Times or Huffington Post.

Well below your normally decent standards.

Neil Gorsuch?

Anteater · 01-31-2017, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Well below your normally decent standards.

Neil Gorsuch?

Eh, alrighty then.

No opinion on Gorsuch. He's Ivy League educated and doesn't seem all that different from Scalia. I love what he said about liberals back in 2005 though.

duga · 02-01-2017, 08:24 AM

Honestly, Republicans can bitch about Democrats being hypocrites all they want. What goes around comes around...they are now reaping what they sowed. They are the ones who created these deep divisions. What, they thought by taking the White House and control of congress that the Dems would just let them cram these regressive and unconstitutional policies down their throats? Please. The world supports the left's progressive policies for the most part and the world has been moving towards being more liberal for the past 40-50 years. Take polls of just the millennials onward and you will see an overwhelming majority support liberal policy. You can't have one side playing by the rules and the other thinking they are above them...now we are on an equal playing field.

And for the record any ban on travel that has happened in the past has NEVER been based in religion. What aren't conservatives understanding about this? Not only is this targeting Muslims specifically, but we are prioritizing Christians for entry? THIS is what is outrageous.

Anteater · 02-01-2017, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

The world supports the left's progressive policies for the most part and the world has been moving towards being more liberal for the past 40-50 years. Take polls of just the millennials onward and you will see an overwhelming majority support liberal policy. You can't have one side playing by the rules and the other thinking they are above them...now we are on an equal playing field.

The rest of the world is also in complete chaos. We've made great progress but created a completely different set of problems as a result of what you are describing. It's a shame really: I'd shift from being libertarian to liberal if they weren't so boneheaded in regards to dealing with the underlying ideology of Islam (religion of peace? Yeah sure) and stopped being so obsessed with disingenuous identity politics. But they won't change or support intelligent policy in the name of inclusivity, and that is one of the biggest reasons why people like Trump have come to power.

Anteater · 02-01-2017, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

What you're saying is you need a safe to be a bigot pretty much

So you think inclusivity to the degree as described by Jonathan Haidt above is healthy for society? You are way too narrow minded if "bigot" is the first thing you come up with after reading what I said.

**Frownland** · 02-01-2017, 08:52 AM

Whoever coined the term religion of peace must've been some kind of obnoxious SJW.

duga · 02-01-2017, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

The rest of the world is also in complete chaos. We've made great progress but created a completely different set of problems as a result of what you are describing. It's a shame really: I'd shift from being libertarian to liberal if they weren't so boneheaded in regards to dealing with the underlying ideology of Islam (religion of peace? Yeah sure) and stopped being so obsessed with disingenuous identity politics. But they won't change or support intelligent policy in the name of inclusivity, and that is one of the biggest reasons why people like Trump have come to power.

I'll have to watch this later, but I'm assuming it decrying the extreme left's SJW culture. I think that extremism in any form (be it conservative or liberal) is blinding and I don't support it. "Safe spaces" are a dumb concept. You always need someone to play devil's advocate. There should always be a place for the opposing view. But both sides need mutual respect for each other and a willingness to be flexible. We've gone from two opposing sides working together to two sides vying for control at the expense of the other side. The liberals in the world - being a bit too inclusive and PC - refused to bend the rules the way the conservatives of the world have. And conservatives have been taking advantage for the past 17 years. That's why the world is in chaos - not because there is something wrong with a liberal outlook.

In the end, you can't stop progress. You can't stop globalization. An isolationist attitude is regressive and won't help advance the human race. Liberals are thinking of what's good for humans while conservatives seem to be focused on what's good for whatever country they are from. Nationalism on that level is outdated and what we are seeing is a desperate attempt for them to stay relevant. We may have hard times ahead, but if you think the world will be MORE conservative once the dust settles, you are kidding yourself.

And I fundamentally disagree with you on Islam. That's just straight up ignorant. I'm not even going to bother expanding on that because if you've been able to block out all evidence to the contrary up to now, nothing I say will change your mind. Historically, Christianity is just as violent (if not moreso). If you are going to say that about Islam, you may as well say it about ALL religions.

Anteater · 02-01-2017, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

And I fundamentally disagree with you on Islam. That's just straight up ignorant. I'm not even going to bother expanding on that because if you've been able to block out all evidence to the contrary up to now, nothing I say will change your mind. Historically, Christianity is just as violent (if not moreso). If you are going to say that about Islam, you may as well say it about ALL religions.

Nope. The fundamental culture surrounding Islam has not evolved an iota in centuries, whereas (for the most part) Christianity has grown up and found a way to exist in the modern world without the Pope and other heads of different denominations aiming to decimate the "enemy". Yeah you have some minority nutjob denominations, but they generally keep to themselves and have no control over society, culture, etc. That is not the case at all with Islam today.

Unfortunately, many contemporary Muslims who don't care for the conquest-oriented rhetoric of their prophet are collateral damage in this battle against extremism. You could argue that they're "selective" readers and the equivalent of a "non-denominational" Christian who only reads the New Testament, but I digress. It's a complicated issue, but there's no solution where nobody gets hurt as long as you have thought leaders on the other side of the ocean who advocate for the type of society that Saudi Arabia has.

It doesn't matter if "historically" Christianity was violent: every religion has had its growing pains. That's not the point. The problem is we are living in the modern world yet Islam still hasn't gotten over its teething stage. If you go to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq, etc. you see what societies structured by that belief system are like, you would not want to live in those societies. If you speak out against them and say they're not "really" following Islam, they'll cut off your head. That's the reality of the world we live in, so I'm sorry if you don't acknowledge that.

**Frownland** · 02-01-2017, 09:30 AM

02-01-2017, 08:24 AM	#1754 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Honestly, Republicans can bitch about Democrats being hypocrites all they want. What goes around comes around...they are now reaping what they sowed. They are the ones who created these deep divisions. What, they thought by taking the White House and control of congress that the Dems would just let them cram these regressive and unconstitutional policies down their throats? Please. The world supports the left's progressive policies for the most part and the world has been moving towards being more liberal for the past 40-50 years. Take polls of just the millennials onward and you will see an overwhelming majority support liberal policy. You can't have one side playing by the rules and the other thinking they are above them...now we are on an equal playing field. And for the record any ban on travel that has happened in the past has NEVER been based in religion. What aren't conservatives understanding about this? Not only is this targeting Muslims specifically, but we are prioritizing Christians for entry? THIS is what is outrageous. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

02-01-2017, 08:52 AM	#1757 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Whoever coined the term religion of peace must've been some kind of obnoxious SJW. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-01-2017, 09:30 AM	#1760 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	__________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x