Science!

The Batlord · 04-11-2019, 05:50 PM

It honestly doesn't need a whole lot of explanation. You're just complicating the matter to give yourself an out. If you don't believe that math dictates human behavior then you don't believe math dictates pool balls.

**Frownland** · 04-11-2019, 05:51 PM

Mathgod.

Can you specifically tell me what challenges Mathgod has posed against the notion of free will?

The Batlord · 04-11-2019, 06:04 PM

That... things are predictable... cause they can be calculated? I'm almost feeling like you're smart enough that you've circled around to being dumb. I mean you can calculate how a cell in your body operates using math: the amount of nutrients it needs, how it utilizes those nutrients, how often it undergoes mitosis, whatever else. Your brain cells are no different. How they interact with each other via neurons can be described by math. I mean science is just math in action. So at what point does math stop being predictable? Is it in how cells function internally? In how they function together? When?

**Frownland** · 04-11-2019, 06:06 PM

I don't view predictability as a challenge to free will. Evidence: Mathgod knew I was going to say that.

DwnWthVwls · 04-11-2019, 06:07 PM

So where does math come in when Im bound to eat a bowl of pasta and have to pick between bowties or elbows?

The Batlord · 04-11-2019, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I don't view predictability as a challenge to free will. Evidence: Mathgod knew I was going to say that.

Alright let's take this post you made in the Free Will thread.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The point of no return in vetoing self-initiated movements

Predetermination requires as much evidence as free will. I don't think that it's either/or.

In order for an action to be cancelled it must either be mathematically predictable, which cancels out free will, or it must be decided essentially by a random number generator, which also cancels out free will because then no decision is being made. You're simply a victim of literal chaos. You're a ship adrift on an ocean with no engine, no oars, no sail, no rudder, and the ocean isn't even an ocean because the movement of water is defined by math so it's nothing more than an abstract nothingness where anything and everything are possible. There is no middle ground where free will is allowed to exist.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

So where does math come in when Im bound to eat a bowl of pasta and have to pick between bowties or elbows?

Well if it's complex and seemingly frivolous then clearly no math is involved.

DwnWthVwls · 04-11-2019, 06:34 PM

So I have the free will to pick my pasta? Which side are you on, Lord of Bats?

Also, than*

OccultHawk · 04-11-2019, 07:13 PM

Bat

How close are you to being like well you’re not smart enough get back to me if you ever get there?

You’re literally defending cause and effect to an endless barrage of prove it.

Sometimes you don’t need science anymore. Any subject no matter how obvious and perfectly established can constantly be attacked and more and more “science” can be demanded endlessly. Actually, that’s why it’s a litmus test issue.

The Batlord · 04-11-2019, 07:26 PM

It's not a question of intelligence, but I'm stymied about how I'm not getting through. People just be so attached to being people that they can't admit the sky's blue. I mean I think the reason I'm so ready to accept it is that I'm so depersonalized that thinking that I'm nothing isn't much of a stretch. People with real self-esteem are naturally going to be harder to convince.

OccultHawk · 04-11-2019, 07:36 PM

You “accept” it because it’s clear and obvious.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Mathgod. Can you specifically tell me what challenges Mathgod has posed against the notion of free will? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	I don't view predictability as a challenge to free will. Evidence: Mathgod knew I was going to say that. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Bat How close are you to being like well you’re not smart enough get back to me if you ever get there? You’re literally defending cause and effect to an endless barrage of prove it. Sometimes you don’t need science anymore. Any subject no matter how obvious and perfectly established can constantly be attacked and more and more “science” can be demanded endlessly. Actually, that’s why it’s a litmus test issue. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	You “accept” it because it’s clear and obvious. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html