The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

**Goofle** · 05-20-2017, 05:20 PM

Potentially. Ideally. I don't know if I have enough faith in people to believe it would work out fine. I'm certainly an anarchist ethically, because I believe in the Non Aggression Policy and Universal Ethics.

But I also understand that there's no point arguing for something that isn't ever likely to happen in my lifetime, so it's best to aim for something a little closer. Gradual steps.

Lisnaholic · 05-20-2017, 05:53 PM

I wonder how many of you are hoping to have children in the future?

If you have a child in the next ten years or so, he/she might be about seventy-five in the year 2100 - and that's not so old by today's expectations.
According to this article, if carbon emissions continue at present rates, a sea-level rise of 2 metres/6 feet is possible by the year 2100.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2a70a9f22bfb

You can click here to find maps that show the America that your child might face in his/her retirement years, though it only shows the extent of flooding. Mercifully, perhaps, it doesn't show the hoards of refugees moving inland from the coasts, which will make the recent Syrian refugee crisis in Europe look like something, er, on a smaller scale:-

https://ss2.climatecentral.org/#12/4...feet&pois=hide

The Batlord · 05-20-2017, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

If I walk into your house and proceed to take a **** on the floor

Are you cool with nobody stopping me, don't force

If you come to my house you can **** in the garage.

DwnWthVwls · 05-20-2017, 09:26 PM

I imagine an anarchic society being controlled by a psuedo goverment of crime syndicates dictating trade, politics, justice, etc. I dont think true anarchism can exist unless you use a simple definition like no official government.

**Goofle** · 05-21-2017, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

If I walk into your house and proceed to take a **** on the floor

Are you cool with nobody stopping me, don't force

You know what the NAP is. There's nothing wrong with responding to those who trespass and/or violate your property.

Also you can still have laws and prisons in a free society, they would simply be voluntarily funded. The only real laws would be for people to not violate the Non Aggression Principle, which covers pretty much any immoral act.

But as I've said I don't have enough faith in people to do this in mass. Would work better if individuals who believe in this sort of stuff created their own country.

**Goofle** · 05-21-2017, 04:08 PM

No. And they would have violated it and therefore lawfully responsible.

Rjinn · 05-22-2017, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

I wonder how many of you are hoping to have children in the future?

If you have a child in the next ten years or so, he/she might be about seventy-five in the year 2100 - and that's not so old by today's expectations.
According to this article, if carbon emissions continue at present rates, a sea-level rise of 2 metres/6 feet is possible by the year 2100.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2a70a9f22bfb

You can click here to find maps that show the America that your child might face in his/her retirement years, though it only shows the extent of flooding. Mercifully, perhaps, it doesn't show the hoards of refugees moving inland from the coasts, which will make the recent Syrian refugee crisis in Europe look like something, er, on a smaller scale:-

https://ss2.climatecentral.org/#12/4...feet&pois=hide

I'm honestly not surprised about the sea level. Sea level here has risen by about .5 meters recently and Queensland especially has been experiencing quite a bit of flooding. I suppose we don't focus enough on climate change (even though we were climate tax happy for a while down in aussieland) and if these big corporate businesses stopped being so busy with their own inflation, perhaps they could focus on their extensive gas emissions and pollution rate. Meh, I suppose we've caught onto it now, though... but it does sound like one scary future.

**Goofle** · 05-22-2017, 07:49 AM

Okay.

**Goofle** · 05-22-2017, 08:34 AM

I already said it clearly violates the NAP.

Lisnaholic · 05-22-2017, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjinn

I'm honestly not surprised about the sea level. Sea level here has risen by about .5 meters recently and Queensland especially has been experiencing quite a bit of flooding. I suppose we don't focus enough on climate change (even though we were climate tax happy for a while down in aussieland) and if these big corporate businesses stopped being so busy with their own inflation, perhaps they could focus on their extensive gas emissions and pollution rate. Meh, I suppose we've caught onto it now, though... but it does sound like one scary future.

^ Thank you so much for telling us about how things stand in Australia, Rjinn!
The only other poster from that area is Stephen, who alerted us to this disaster-in-the-making:-

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Speaking of environmental issues I'm not sure if the situation in Northern Australia has made much news overseas but the idiot government here is looking to bankroll a massive new coal mine and shipping port right in the middle of the already struggling Great Barrier Reef.

It seems a shame if Australia, which has seen relatively little industrialization and pollution, is now destined to catch up fast with other countries.
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On the topic of disappearing beaches, there is clear evidence where I live too. Here's an article which confirms the same possible sea-level rise of 6 feet which I have previously mentioned:-

Sea- level rise threatens Yucatan Peninsula, Cancun, Mexico | Global Warming Effects

If you don't want all the facts and figures, here are a couple of striking quotes:-

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Scientists attribute this recent acceleration in global sea–level rise to human–caused climate change. Oceans expand as they warm.....

If sea level were to rise 6.6 feet (2 meters), 31 out of the 64 Caribbean airports inventoried could be partly or fully overrun.

From 1993 to 2009, the rate of sea–level rise increased to around 0.13 inches (3.4 millimeters) per year—nearly twice the average rate for the twentieth century.

And here's a picture to show what's happening. The house and palm tree show the old beach level, which used to slope gently out to a sea that would've been a "safe" one or two hundred yards away. Now the sea is eating away at the sand cliff it has made. How high is the cliff? Maybe six feet? Whatever it is, the quantity of eroded sand is just mind-boggling.

05-20-2017, 05:53 PM	#102 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	I wonder how many of you are hoping to have children in the future? If you have a child in the next ten years or so, he/she might be about seventy-five in the year 2100 - and that's not so old by today's expectations. According to this article, if carbon emissions continue at present rates, a sea-level rise of 2 metres/6 feet is possible by the year 2100. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2a70a9f22bfb You can click here to find maps that show the America that your child might face in his/her retirement years, though it only shows the extent of flooding. Mercifully, perhaps, it doesn't show the hoards of refugees moving inland from the coasts, which will make the recent Syrian refugee crisis in Europe look like something, er, on a smaller scale:- https://ss2.climatecentral.org/#12/4...feet&pois=hide __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953