he literally has the same attitude towards the EPA that Trump does, lol

This whole "everything is always hopeless" mentality has completely stagnated your thinking imo.

Trump has this attitude cause he wants more money for business. I have this attitude cause dickheads like you support obvious psychopaths like Trump. People like you are why it's hard to care anymore, you cock.

More excuses

No, seriously, **** you. Trump getting elected did a serious ****ing number on my faith in the human race and you were all about it so you're one of millions who are responsible for my having no faith in the human race to do a damn thing about climate change. You specifically are one of the reasons.

It's still a poor excuse to frame regulation as inherently worthless and self serving.

I supported Trump on MB and I was wrong. I didn't vote. Chances are, if you also didn't vote, I contributed the same amount to him being elected as you did.

It's not the voting that's dispiriting. It's the mass stupidity. And you're equally as guilty of that, you daft ****ing bint.

I will admit I am guilty of that. So are you.

I thought it would be funny to vote for Trump cause it was such a dumb idea that he was running that I thought he didn't have a chance in hell of winning and I could tell my grandchildren I voted for him and they wouldn't even know who I was talking about but it would still make me laugh cause Jesus was it a dumb idea for anyone to think the Apprentice guy running for office would be a good thing but then I didn't care enough to vote cause **** me was the whole thing depressing at the end of the day.

So I never supported either dumpster fire. Unlike you. And unlike millions upon millions of other Americans who proved themselves too stupid to be worth saving. **** it who cares if you idiots drown.

I supported him cause I lost hope way before you did. I just thought he was entertaining and didn't care about the consequences.

But I've since then sobered up and came to regret that frame of mind.

You are still spouting stupid **** like regulation being pointless, presumably based on the fact that Trump was elected, which you lacked the foresight to oppose at the time. Where as I recognized he had a chance as early as 2015.

So yea... You're a part of the mass stupidity.

Nah, bitch. You liked him projecting strength like some ratchet dictator and that's why you still rep right wing bootstrap bull****. You repped Trump because something in your personality resonates with how he presents himself. And I came face to face with my own right wing bull**** a decade ago and have been dealing with it as best I can since then. You don't even realize you're still a retard.

There was a part of me that fantasized about having a dictator but that had nothing do with left vs right wing. I thought it would be extremely exciting to watch. I literally got excited as a kid when 9 11 happened. I literally bought a book on Arabic the next week. I just have that side of me.

Before I became disillusioned I was closer to a communist than a right winger. You have just usually tended to project your own story onto me.

And the right wing bootstrap bull**** as you frame it is something very new to me. Something that I picked up during recovery. This absurd idea i should start taking life even halfway seriously. Stupid, I know. Resistance is futile etc. Very wise advice on your part, I can't imagine why it isn't resonating with me.

Yeah I talked commie **** before I became a right winger too cause it seemed forceful and decisive and exciting to me, then I became a ****ing full on talk radio dip**** for the same reasons. You're not swaying my opinion of you.

And recently you've also said **** about how you'd like a more authoritarian government, so don't bull**** me like you've confronted anything about yourself. You're just looking for a political daddy and are sad that your latest political daddy failed you but you're still a Hitler Youth desperate for a better Hitler.

even when I was supporting Trump on here I started the thread for Sanders and stated i would vote for him over Trump. I just knew Sanders wouldn't ever get the nom.

I was never even in favor of most of Trump's policies... I just argued he was a con artist that wouldn't fulfill them.



Quote what you are referencing

I still have hang ups about democracy cause I find it ineffective but dictatorship is more dangerous for obvious reasons


But I still do think that theoretically the right dictator >any democratic regime.

And when I made my threads dissing democracy back in the day IIRC you co signed completely and proposed some sort of Neo-Fuedal replacement.

But yea I'm sure all this excuses your currently retarded stance on the idea of environmental regulation

So you were effectively a dip**** centrist liberal? Still the people who ruined my faith in humanity.


This is in internet forum with lots of posts. **** you.

And yet through all that I never sucked Trump cock because the idea of supporting him even ironically was just gross no matter how funny the idea might be. You on the other hand were all about it and now here we are with you the ****ing centrist liberal (right winger in denial) and me a ****ing nihilist who wished he could be a real socialist.

... If I was a centrist I would vote Hillary. I wanted something interesting to happen.




well I'm telling you what my stance is take it or leave it.



Congrats, you never sucked Trump's cock. You just sucked mine. And you still have dumb ideas you can't defend but want to blame me for somehow. Get a shrink.

Let me see your shrink. I'm assuming you were assigned one.

Closest thing I ever had was the broad at the out patient detox place i went to

She was slightly chubby with reddish brown hair and big tits

She looked at me like she gave a **** what I was saying even though she probably didn't. She was my dr melfi.

I feel like middle class people with a life to lose put those people through the wringer just trying to get something that isn't boring as ****, but losers like us make them wonder why they even got a degree cause we're just waiting to trauma bond with someone who's not even interested.

Batlords on the sauce again.

eyyyyy

But seriously you're a ****ing robot and I'll see your program deleted.

Beep boop beep beep

Its not my fault bruh. I didnt ask to be born or have no free will.

No wonder you do environmental work without asking whether you could be doing more important environmental work outside of a generic "get degree/do science via contacts made" kind of way.

I dont have to ask. I know i could be but the job i currently have is great resume builder that opens up a lot of future opportunity. Was that supposed to be insulting? Weaksauce Fatlord.

I wasn't waiting to bond cause I inherently distrust shrinks. I have ever since I was little when they had to do some MRIs and **** and it felt like being abducted.

I was ordered to go to the treatment cause I was staying at the homeless shelter and got caught sneaking in booze

She was very good at playing someone who was genuinely concerned but I knew it was a job. I could just sense it. Especially since we did group sessions.

I got sober for about 2 weeks and then I went back on the pills. I started attending the meetings high. In the 10 minute breaks they gave us I would sometimes literally run to the CVS down the street to get more, then come back and continue the group meeting and continue to talk with a straight face about what a blessing it is being sober.

Finally I got kicked out the homeless shelter for the 2nd and last time, for once again sneaking booze.

I left the shelter and ended up getting into a fight/jumped. I'm not quite sure which it was since I was wasted. Then the next day I went to that out patient office and told them I needed long term rehab. When they expressed shock at this news, I did my best to explain how I had lied to their face for so long and how I just have a knack at that sort of thing.

That's how I ended up at the Christian sobriety cult.

I mean you could have just admitted that what you're doing now is pointless besides being a bridge to something that you think might be actually worthwhile. I think that kind of honesty would be refreshing in the current climate to combat the self-satisfied bull**** that allows everyday people to recycle and pretend that it's counteracting multinational corporate pollution.

TBH I think the thing that turns everyday people off the most is actually just how Disney-fied the whole conservationist thing is presented to the public. Just do this little thing that everyone secretly knows isn't that important and you're good for doing everything else that supports the destruction of the world. God forbid you should be honest about just how intense the situation actually is.

You see. Just waiting to spill your guts to the first person.

I do want the role of a shrink, yes

I just don't trust actual shrinks

I figured you might have something to say since you brought it up

Shrug. I've been through trauma bonding and spilling your guts. It's intoxicating but ultimately empty. Either the other person was just an unsuspecting sponge who didn't sign on for this **** or they have their own trauma they need to make bigger than yours.

This is my main beef with your pov

You aren't content with giving up on life and everything else

You view any semblance of hope as some form of ignorance you wish to stamp out

Once again, misery loves company

Its not pointless though but i can always do more and do better

yea you're right.. there's no such thing as sharing experiences and feedback without an ulterior motive just like there's no such thing as trying to work towards environmental regulations, enjoying life in general, etc

More like I see many forms of hope as self-deception and humanity in general is prone to romanticizing self-deception as hope to the point that the very concept of hope often becomes indistinguishable from self-deception.

Are you seriously going to pretend like you don't know exactly what I'm talking about with mutually parasitic trauma bonding?

I you're assuming it's self deception

With regard to the specific issue of environmental regulation, I believe there's more evidence that it's made a noticeable difference in this country than otherwise



yea I'm not sure what you mean by that.

We might save some marshes and forests and that's great, but for that **** to be worthwhile we have to not change the very climate of the planet to potentially change the very landscape of those places we think we saved.

You know. You make friends with someone. They have issues. You have issues. You both eventually end up spilling guts about your ****, they spill guts about their ****, you both think you're the best of friends, but in the end you both have nothing in common but bad stories and so you're not actually friends who click on any level.

Either you got lucky or you still think someone is your friend when they're not.

uh huh. All or nothing, in other words.

Which strategy you honestly think is likely to get the desired result... Trying to inch towards All, or just getting accustomed to nothing?



lol

The story I shared with you is my basic story. But I've shared it with countless strangers in sobriety. It's not even close to my deep dark intimate thoughts and secrets.

I don't know. Maybe not pretending as a culture that recycling is a solution to a problem caused by a parasitic capitalist culture that uses recycling as a way of fooling the public that they can change anything without confronting that parasitic capitalist culture. And possibly admitting that the very concept of recycling in that culture is in fact an aggressive attack on truth itself.

Well then I guess you just don't know what I'm talking about.