The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

Lisnaholic · 05-01-2017, 05:40 PM

Yes, it sucks when decision-makers are so fixated on the model of last century's energy solutions when there is so much evidence to show that it's no longer the best way forward.

djchameleon · 05-01-2017, 06:27 PM

I have to skim through those threads to make sure old me didn't say anything stupid lol.

So to add to the plastic bag discussion. The tax placed on those ends up affecting the poor so much more. Also I would hate to put meats in a cloth bag. The spread of bacteria is a definite issue.

Lisnaholic · 05-01-2017, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I have to skim through those threads to make sure old me didn't say anything stupid lol.

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So to add to the plastic bag discussion. The tax placed on those ends up affecting the poor so much more. Also I would hate to put meats in a cloth bag. The spread of bacteria is a definite issue.

^ I think the idea is to avoid paying the extra, dj, by going back to the old system of shoppers setting out with their own re-usable bags. That's how it was done, by rich and poor alike, from the dawn of civilization until about 1965. Historically, the one-use carrier bag is a very recently acquired bad habit.
(Also, in the UK, you can still get free carrier bags for meat, fish and other produce like that; they are exempt from the charge.)

elphenor · 05-01-2017, 08:51 PM

Just wash the bag

**Janszoon** · 05-01-2017, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I would hate to put meats in a cloth bag.

Everything about this is great.

Neapolitan · 05-01-2017, 10:38 PM

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..........................Arguably the single most important issue facing this generation is how we respond to and treat our environment.

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It's obviously a huge topic which MB members have discussed on many occasions, and there are plenty of threads examining specific aspects and questions. Several of the threads were started more than five years ago, though, and haven't been updated much since.

But climate change is by definition a dynamic process, so periodic updates are fundamental to informed discussion. Statistics, circumstances and government policies are changing all the time and rather than have these changes mentioned and then lost in the "today's news" thread, I thought there should be an umbrella Environment thread to record various developments and opinions as they arise. Doesn't seem to be such a thing so far on MB, so here it is now - a dedicated holdall where we can mention any fresh news item or opinion about the environment - a bit like one of those tv programs that tell you about a farmer using solar panels in India or the declining air quality in Shanghai.

To show that I did my homework (on MB at least) here are the best threads I found about the environment/climate change etc. Feel free to explore or bump these if you'd like to re-visit old arguments:-

http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...t-fiction.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/28...-solution.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...g-swindle.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...ange-ipcc.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...ent-truth.html

http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...cs-debate.html

http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...about-end.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/77...-theories.html

Lord Christopher Monckton - Global Warming is a Hoax

rostasi · 05-01-2017, 10:49 PM

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Lord Christopher Monckton - Global Warming is a Hoax

Yeah, the guy who's very nearly literally a snake oil salesman.

Lucem Ferre · 05-01-2017, 11:25 PM

I think it's fairly important that anybody who marches or protests to save our environment or our planet picks up their ****ing trash. Seriously. The irony of the retarded liberals in this country. And I'm not saying liberals are retarded, I'm just saying that liberals have retards among them.

Edit: Because I saw pictures of the heaps of trash left all over the streets from that earth day march for global warming or what ever. I support the cause, but not the irony.

elphenor · 05-01-2017, 11:51 PM

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Lord Christopher Monckton - Global Warming is a Hoax

Lord Christopher Monckton

former advisor to Margret Thatcher

degree in journalism (so shocking it wasn't in a science)

creator of the "eternity puzzle" of which he was so sure nobody could solve he offered 1mil euros to the first to do so, the puzzle was ofc solved by several people

djchameleon · 05-01-2017, 11:57 PM

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I think it's fairly important that anybody who marches or protests to save our environment or our planet picks up their ****ing trash. Seriously. The irony of the retarded liberals in this country. And I'm not saying liberals are retarded, I'm just saying that liberals have retards among them.

Edit: Because I saw pictures of the heaps of trash left all over the streets from that earth day march for global warming or what ever. I support the cause, but not the irony.

So you think there wasn't a big clean up after the event? This will always happen when there isn't enough bins to put things in. It isn't realistic to think that an event with 200,000 plus people would be spotless directly after the event GTFO.

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