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Old 01-03-2019, 07:06 PM   #351 (permalink)
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The polar vortex is about to split into 3 pieces

This is the type of **** that causes mega-blizzards to hurricane through densely populated areas and ****
How serious this is depends a lot on if it's weather or climate. One thing we can say for sure though: it's a clear sign of either a cold weekend in Canada or the end of civilization as we know it.
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Old 01-03-2019, 08:11 PM   #352 (permalink)
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How serious this is depends a lot on if it's weather or climate. One thing we can say for sure though: it's a clear sign of either a cold weekend in Canada or the end of civilization as we know it.
Itís caused by warm air. Scientists have to be careful not to draw premature conclusions but my redneck horse sense says this is obviously another frightening chapter in the global warming **** storm.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:01 AM   #353 (permalink)
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^ Yes, joking aside, it sounds pretty ominous. The destabilisation of these climatic systems is v alarming because any one of them could become a point of no return. After all, who amongst us can put a polar vortex back together again?

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During the past 2 weeks, a sudden stratospheric warming event has taken place, showing up first in the Siberian Arctic, and then spreading over the North Pole.

Such events occur when large atmospheric waves surge beyond the troposphere and into the layer of air above it. Such a vertical transport of energy can rapidly warm the stratosphere, and set in motion a chain reaction that disrupts the stratospheric polar vortex.
^ Another downside to this likely to be the optics: more people will notice the unusually cold weather than will understand that the cause of it is global warming. I can imagine Trump and other anti-science politicians once again tweeting about a global warming hoax when the first snow flurry hits Boston.
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Another downside to this likely to be the optics: more people will notice the unusually cold weather than will understand that the cause of it is global warming. I can imagine Trump and other anti-science politicians once again tweeting about a global warming hoax when the first snow flurry hits Boston.
Yep

People believe what they want to believe.

I feel like we jumped out of an airplane and in order for the parachutes to open we all have pull the ripcords. Half of us are saying pull the ****ing cords and the other half are saying well I donít think weíre going to hit the ground. You people are always talking about hitting the ground. We havenít hit the ground yet.

You know how the joke goes. Once weíre ten feet from the ground theyíll say **** man I can jump from here.
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Not only is the polar vortex splitting in three a problem in itself, but who knows what manner of domino effects it can be the start of with regards to change of other weather systems (this one worries me, but I'm not a scientist so...) and unforeseeable environmental consequences.
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:29 AM   #356 (permalink)
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I feel like we jumped out of an airplane and in order for the parachutes to open we all have pull the ripcords. Half of us are saying pull the ****ing cords and the other half are saying well I donít think weíre going to hit the ground. You people are always talking about hitting the ground. We havenít hit the ground yet.

You know how the joke goes. Once weíre ten feet from the ground theyíll say **** man I can jump from here.
^ I hadn't heard that joke, so lol.

It's a good analogy - and sadly that kind of co-operation is pretty rare in human behaviour. As I understand it, one reason for the recent riots in Paris was because people were protesting against a tax hike on gasoline that Macron introduced in hopes of tipping the balance away from fossil fuels and towards greener solutions. Nobody cared about the big picture, just the euros in their pockets.

In the US, thanks to the Dem wins in the midterms, there's going to be a Select Committee on Climate Change. I suppose that's a step in the right direction, though it doesn't sound like a very dramatic one.
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one reason for the recent riots in Paris was because people were protesting against a tax hike on gasoline that Macron introduced in hopes of tipping the balance away from fossil fuels and towards greener solutions. Nobody cared about the big picture,
Iím not quite with you. An energy tax needs to be on a sliding scale. Iím presently bordering on the poverty line myself and a tax that wasnít going to allow me to heat my home ainít gonna work me neither. We all gotta pitch in but as a poor person Iím already starting with a smaller carbon footprint. I only cool one room. No central air. No lawn. No car at the moment. Like Iím doing my part whether I want to or not. The electricity here comes mostly from coal. Obviously I donít like coal but a regressive tax on it that would up my power bill - just no ****ing way. Iím with the frogs on that one. They need to GIVE me solar. Free. You want to stop the fossil fuel consumption? Send the Sunshine State over and put some solar panels I canít afford on this dump.
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A capitalist system is basically rigged to make legislation like that really wonky at best. People's livelihoods will be threatened by fossil fuel taxes, but there's no equivalent counter move that will make cleaner energy as viable with low income. Such a law should probably first target those with high income, then move downwards as non-fossil fuel alternatives become more and more feasible to people at the bottom of society, over a number of years.

But then, of course, you'll have right wingers whining to no end.
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I’m not quite with you. An energy tax needs to be on a sliding scale. I’m presently bordering on the poverty line myself and a tax that wasn’t going to allow me to heat my home ain’t gonna work me neither. We all gotta pitch in but as a poor person I’m already starting with a smaller carbon footprint. I only cool one room. No central air. No lawn. No car at the moment. Like I’m doing my part whether I want to or not. The electricity here comes mostly from coal. Obviously I don’t like coal but a regressive tax on it that would up my power bill - just no ****ing way. I’m with the frogs on that one. They need to GIVE me solar. Free. You want to stop the fossil fuel consumption? Send the Sunshine State over and put some solar panels I can’t afford on this dump.
if Macron would have introduced it along with taxes and regulations on corporations, the biggest polluters, and with the leftist reforms announced recently it could have been respectable
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