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Old 08-20-2019, 05:17 AM   #551 (permalink)
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Makes my eyes tear up.
^ Sorry that it upset you, OH. These days that seems to be the price of awareness.

Unfortunately, Trump's EPA is doing its best to keep its eyes firmly closed: this quote from Wikipedia really needs an asterisk attached:-

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The global warming controversy concerns the public debate over whether global warming is occurring, how much has occurred in modern times, what has caused it, what its effects will be, whether any action should be taken to curb it, and if so what that action should be. In the scientific literature, there is a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view,* though a few organizations with members in extractive industries hold non-committal positions. Disputes over the key scientific facts of global warming are more prevalent in the media than in the scientific literature, where such issues are treated as resolved, and such disputes are more prevalent in the United States than globally.
* except the EPA, in this move which is a blatant travesty of scientific method:-
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A personal turning point for me was about a week ago when I had a dream based on environmental anxiety. The anxiety came from the the methane-level graph below:-



The graph turns up in this doc which I've already mentioned:-

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Don't expect to learn much from this trailer, but if you watch the full documentary, (recently added to Netflix), you can learn a lot about the hard science behind climate history, and the really scary prognosis for planet earth:-

And the most chilling moment comes when the methane graph is overlaid with a temp rise graph with the clear message: we've got the one spike, so now expect the other.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:31 PM   #552 (permalink)
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My own basic recs would be:-
- avoid buying stuff you don't need
- move away from coastal areas if you have that option
- on climate change, trust the scientists, not the politicians
- vote Trump out of office; his policies are making a bad scenario worse
I agree with all of your points except the one about Donald Trump... People should not point the finger at Mr. Trump. If I'm not mistaken, Donald Trump mentioned something about clean coal. On a side note, I think that some industries really do get it (they understand the importance of environmental conservation.) But then again, some big billion dollar corporations really don't get it (they continue to pollute the environment as if it were a gigantic toilet bowl.) It is sad.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:07 PM   #553 (permalink)
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True. They should point AK’s at him instead.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:12 AM   #554 (permalink)
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I agree with all of your points except the one about Donald Trump... People should not point the finger at Mr. Trump. If I'm not mistaken, Donald Trump mentioned something about clean coal.
^ Sorry, RL Clown, but I have to disagree with your disagreement. I hope that doesn't mean we are arguing

Trump has famously pulled the US out of the Paris Agreement, an international agreement to protect air quality. He has also repeatedly declared global warming to be a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. More specifically, here are 15 Trump-era policy decisions that are either rolling back protections put in place by Obama, or are actively speeding up the degradation of the environment:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...d-environment/

Perhaps Trump has mentioned "clean coal", but afaik nothing has been done to turn that concept into a reality. Coal is carbon in rock form; dirty to the touch, environmentally damaging to extract and afaik all methods to convert it into energy release huge quants of carbon into the atmosphere. In fact the very term "clean coal" is about as meaningless as the term "dry water."

TBH, I can't see how anyone who is intellectually honest and concerned about the environment can defend the Trump admin's position on environmental issues. So Yes, I do point a finger, though I might stop short at OH's suggestion, preferring a democratically arrived at solution over political assasination - but hey, that's just me.
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heard the amazon rain forest is on fire and has been for 3 weeks



please someone tell me thats ..
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:53 AM   #556 (permalink)
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heard the amazon rain forest is on fire and has been for 3 weeks



please someone tell me thats ..
Doesn't seem so.

I think the news broke out on twitter forcing news outlets to cover it. Weird how they jumped on Notre Dame being on fire but not the planet slowly being destroyed.

Edit: Actually quickly in retrospect.
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Doesn't seem so.

I think the news broke out on twitter forcing news outlets to cover it. Weird how they jumped on Notre Dame being on fire but not the planet slowly being destroyed.

Edit: Actually quickly in retrospect.
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There's probably gonna be a weed drought now, mindfulness.
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Bro that's a bad thing.
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