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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2098029)

^ Aha! Also a Vangelis album.

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

Those poor Aussies though. Dam. There really isn't a whole lot of standardization for wildfire training as compared to residential/commercial. It's mostly just prevention, and most times it's unavoidable or too coincidental to prepare for.

^ I forgot that you know about firefighter training! Yes, it's one thing to have a mock-up for an urban fire. With a wildfire, you can't set fire to a forest to practise on, and of course a real wildfire is on such a big scale...

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 2098337)

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

^ :laughing: It has just sunk in what a good comment that was, Plankton!
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New Zealand glaciers turn brown and 'could melt faster because of Australia's bushfires'

By Gianluca Mezzofiore.

Updated 1433 GMT (2233 HKT) January 2, 2020
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A photo taken on January 1 shows the Fox and Franz Josef glaciers in New Zealand, which have turned brown as a result of Australian bushfire smoke and ash.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/02/a...cli/index.html

^ This nudges our albedo in the wrong direction, and is an example of how problems spread out beyond the first obvious danger. A similar problem arose with the Siberian wildfires back in August:-

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2069925)

And the worst of the worst are the catastrophes that guarrantee that the rate of catastrophes is going to get worse. See bits in bold:-

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This soot can be harmful to humans and animals, entering the lungs and bloodstream. It also plays a role in global warming. Nasa scientists say the soot absorbs sunlight and warms the atmosphere. If it falls on ice or snow, it reduces reflectivity and can trap more heat, speeding up the melting process.

The fires are releasing copious volumes of previously stored carbon dioxide and methane - carbon stocks that have in some cases been held in the ground for thousands of years. The fires .... emitted an estimated 100 megatons of CO2 between 1 June and 21 July, almost the equivalent of the carbon output of Belgium in 2017, according to Cams.

... meanwhile the ecological disaster that is Donald Trump continues its dirty work. This latest move will allow for unprecedented levels of water contamination:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51225604 :Trump Rolls Back US Water Pollution Controls

Sometimes I pull out a quote to give the gist of an article, but this one is such a compendium of disastrous news that it's hard to choose one sentence. :(

It’s the logical conclusion of private property.

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"That was a rule that basically took your property away from you," he told the assembled farmers.

It stands to reason that if you believe a person should be able to own land then thet should be able to destroy it.

Property is theft!

This is a perfect example. Does nature belong to all of is or to just the person the law claims it belongs? It’s time we took a hard stance against private property whether the owner is Putin or Zuckerberg.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2102188)

that's the proper response to "taxes are theft"

No

Property is theft

Church

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Japan now plans to build as many as 22 new coal-burning power plants — one of the dirtiest sources of electricity — at 17 different sites in the next five years, just at a time when the world needs to slash carbon dioxide emissions to fight global warming.

Together the 22 power plants would emit almost as much carbon dioxide annually as all the passenger cars sold each year in the United States.

-NYTimes

I’ve been saying this for years. Every ounce of coal and oil and every fossil fuel is going to be burnt for energy. Even if it’s outlawed it’ll be sold onthe black market. It’s too convenient and too powerful to go unused. It might as well be free heroin in Seattle.

Well, considering how Japan feels about nuclear power at this point, it doesn't surprise me in the least.

The Taal volcano in the Phillipines:

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...19&oe=5EC9D9A9

Violently stunning.