The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 08:59 PM

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I wasn't talking to you, you stupid bitch. I was talking to a "nice guy" who generally never takes aggressive stances and asking if at this point he's willing to entertain a more aggressive stance.

you already responded to me anyway so here we are... On an open forum. Take a xanax dude

**Frownland** · 08-07-2021, 09:16 PM

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I'm not ruling it out but i find that hard to believe. If anyone threatened the multi billion dollar fossil fuel industry via terrorism i think they would become a target of the powers that be so much so that the oil companies themselves would not have to worry at all about the cost of security because they would have the full weight of the US military and other global powers backing them.

Historically that has also widely swayed public opinion in favour of the "terrorists".

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I'm very skeptical that you can scare people out of making billions of dollars.

Scare em to death. There aren't that many.

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well in my mind the only way to morally rationalize terrorism is to say it serves a greater good... So if the results are that things get worse instead then it doesn't matter to me what your motivations were, it's still condemnable because you made things worse not better. If you wanna say ah but the oil companies/govts/etc have more blood on their hands then fine. That in no way makes the terrorism more justified.

Blaming the victim. You recognize the government using an event as justification for a fascist takeover as valid while rejecting any motivations for an ecoterrorist assassination as justified. Pretty obvious which conclusion you're working backwards from there.

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I'm rejecting the idea that terrorism is justified

On the basis that the government existing to protect corporate interests is a valid starting point, which is the crux of neoliberalism.

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And what I'm saying is that if i had any faith at all in the terrorists actually making things better then the question would be much more difficult to answer. I might be more sympathetic if i thought they could. So to me you cannot separate whether or not it's worth condemning from the consequences it has. The consequences are the main reason i oppose terrorists in the first place.

Then you understand why I don't have any faith in asking nicely.

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Historically that has also widely swayed public opinion in favour of the "terrorists".

can you give an example to illustrate what you mean?

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Scare em to death. There aren't that many.

using what mechanism? Go for it if you have the plan don't let me talk you out of it ..

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Blaming the victim. You recognize the government using an event as justification for a fascist takeover as valid while rejecting any motivations for an ecoterrorist assassination as justified. Pretty obvious which conclusion you're working backwards from there.

how is it blaming the victim?

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On the basis that the government existing to protect corporate interests is a valid starting point, which is the crux of neoliberalism.

dunno what this means tbh but I'm also high

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Then you understand why I don't have any faith in asking nicely.

I don't either. But i don't get why you have faith in terrorism working better. Maybe you can give me an example to change my mind but it seems to me like it would probably **** us over .

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 09:54 PM

Seems like online posturing as a revolutionary is the new way to be edgy tbh

Very shocking stuff guys here come the guillotines zzzzzz

**Frownland** · 08-07-2021, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

can you give an example to illustrate what you mean?

It's common for "terrorist" rebel groups to see an increase in membership in response to being targeted by the government.

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using what mechanism?

idunno. Piano wire is exciting.

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I don't either. But i don't get why you have faith in terrorism working better. Maybe you can give me an example to change my mind but it seems to me like it would probably **** us over .

The government using terrorism against anything that threatens the wealthy has compelled you into submission RE: this convo. Why can't that work in the other direction?

We're ****ed regardless tbh.

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 10:06 PM

Why can't it work in the other direction? That's like a cockroach saying how come you can kill me but i can't kill you. Lol.

**Frownland** · 08-07-2021, 10:08 PM

A cockroach setting off a bomb can kill you.

Looks like we mainly diverge in how deterministically valid government authority is.

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 10:09 PM

And you can mock me for submission but until you follow through, which frankly i doubt you have the balls to even consider contemplating, then you are also submitting. You're just fantasizing about not submitting. Very brave work soldier.

**Frownland** · 08-07-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

And you can mock me for submission but until you follow through, which frankly i doubt you have the balls to even consider contemplating, then you are also submitting. You're just fantasizing about not submitting. Very brave work soldier.

There's no need for poor sportsmanship, you lost the Logical Game.

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 10:24 PM

The logic game can kiss deez nuts bro.

But i bet you could rock a che guevara style hat frownland

08-07-2021, 10:08 PM	#767 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	A cockroach setting off a bomb can kill you. Looks like we mainly diverge in how deterministically valid government authority is. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-07-2021, 09:54 PM	#764 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Seems like online posturing as a revolutionary is the new way to be edgy tbh Very shocking stuff guys here come the guillotines zzzzzz

08-07-2021, 10:06 PM	#766 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Why can't it work in the other direction? That's like a cockroach saying how come you can kill me but i can't kill you. Lol.

08-07-2021, 10:09 PM	#768 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	And you can mock me for submission but until you follow through, which frankly i doubt you have the balls to even consider contemplating, then you are also submitting. You're just fantasizing about not submitting. Very brave work soldier.

08-07-2021, 10:24 PM	#770 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	The logic game can kiss deez nuts bro. But i bet you could rock a che guevara style hat frownland