The Environmental Watchdog MasterThread

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 10:06 PM

Why can't it work in the other direction? That's like a cockroach saying how come you can kill me but i can't kill you. Lol.

**Frownland** · 08-07-2021, 10:08 PM

A cockroach setting off a bomb can kill you.

Looks like we mainly diverge in how deterministically valid government authority is.

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 10:09 PM

And you can mock me for submission but until you follow through, which frankly i doubt you have the balls to even consider contemplating, then you are also submitting. You're just fantasizing about not submitting. Very brave work soldier.

**Frownland** · 08-07-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

And you can mock me for submission but until you follow through, which frankly i doubt you have the balls to even consider contemplating, then you are also submitting. You're just fantasizing about not submitting. Very brave work soldier.

There's no need for poor sportsmanship, you lost the Logical Game.

~~jwb~~ · 08-07-2021, 10:24 PM

The logic game can kiss deez nuts bro.

But i bet you could rock a che guevara style hat frownland

**Frownland** · 08-07-2021, 10:40 PM

Already set on a couple of berets but a red star military cap wouldn't be a bad move.

The Batlord · 08-08-2021, 03:56 AM

You can't even imagine yourself siding against power on a hypothetical but you can imagine selling cocaine to Mexicans cause you listen to too much hippity hop. What a boring, unimaginative bitch.

~~jwb~~ · 08-08-2021, 02:08 PM

Yes you are right selling drugs to people asking for drugs really stretches the bounds of the imagination...

I didn't say i can't imagine hypothetically there being terrorism that i would be sympathetic to but in practice i generally don't find it productive. If you have such a big imagination then you would try to illustrate a scenario where you do think it is plausible... Frownland at least kinda sorta tries to do so though not very compelling imo .. but from you all i hear it's pent up rage and revenge fantasies that get you off but are fundamentally no different from the kid who fantasizes about standing up to his bully but then when push comes to shove never does

Fundamentally where we disagree is that to me the consequences are more important than your supposed motive. If your justification is that these people are ****ing over the planet that only carries any weight to me if you have a plan or scenario that you think would do something to actually correct that. I don't think revenge for the sheer sake of retribution is particularly ethically compelling. Though I'm sure it does feel good. I wouldnt even take much issue with that if it didn't lead to significant blowback that made things worse in general... But that is where my primary concern lies. Call that boring if you want but you asked an ethical question not "what's your favorite revenge fantasy?"

The Batlord · 08-08-2021, 02:48 PM

Pent up rage and revenge fantasies? And you accuse me of strawmanning.

**Frownland** · 08-08-2021, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Fundamentally where we disagree is that to me the consequences are more important than your supposed motive.

Your certainty of the Ultra Powerful Government justifiably and successfully enacting fascism in response to pressure from below is more dogmatic than anything batlord has said in this thread. Quit lying to yourself about this "concern" being exceptional. The consequences of approaching fixing the environment without impacting people's abilities to make money off of destroying it is the blowback that ecoterrorists are interested in avoiding.

08-07-2021, 10:08 PM	#782 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	A cockroach setting off a bomb can kill you. Looks like we mainly diverge in how deterministically valid government authority is. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-07-2021, 10:40 PM	#786 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Already set on a couple of berets but a red star military cap wouldn't be a bad move. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-08-2021, 02:08 PM	#788 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Yes you are right selling drugs to people asking for drugs really stretches the bounds of the imagination... I didn't say i can't imagine hypothetically there being terrorism that i would be sympathetic to but in practice i generally don't find it productive. If you have such a big imagination then you would try to illustrate a scenario where you do think it is plausible... Frownland at least kinda sorta tries to do so though not very compelling imo .. but from you all i hear it's pent up rage and revenge fantasies that get you off but are fundamentally no different from the kid who fantasizes about standing up to his bully but then when push comes to shove never does Fundamentally where we disagree is that to me the consequences are more important than your supposed motive. If your justification is that these people are ***ing over the planet that only carries any weight to me if you have a plan or scenario that you think would do something to actually correct that. I don't think revenge for the sheer sake of retribution is particularly ethically compelling. Though I'm sure it does feel good. I wouldnt even take much issue with that if it didn't lead to significant blowback that made things worse in general... But that is where my primary concern lies. Call that boring if you want but you asked an ethical question not "what's your favorite revenge fantasy?" Last edited by jwb; 08-08-2021 at 02:19 PM.*

08-07-2021, 10:06 PM	#781 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Why can't it work in the other direction? That's like a cockroach saying how come you can kill me but i can't kill you. Lol.

08-07-2021, 10:09 PM	#783 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	And you can mock me for submission but until you follow through, which frankly i doubt you have the balls to even consider contemplating, then you are also submitting. You're just fantasizing about not submitting. Very brave work soldier.

08-07-2021, 10:24 PM	#785 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	The logic game can kiss deez nuts bro. But i bet you could rock a che guevara style hat frownland