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Lisnaholic 08-08-2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2180675)
Be honest. Would you condemn ecoterrorists at this point?

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2180735)
I wasn't talking to you, you stupid bitch. I was talking to a "nice guy" who generally never takes aggressive stances and asking if at this point he's willing to entertain a more aggressive stance.

You make it difficult for me to slither away from this direct moral question, Batlord, even though it's of the kind I really hate to answer. :(

In any country that's even approximately democratic, I'm a law-abidding guy, so, the Yes/No answer, is Yes, I would condemn ecoterrorism because there are (however hypothetically) democratically-arrived-at remedies available.
If you're putting me in the position of a judge; what sentences would I hand out? I'd draw a line between property damage and kidnap/loss of life. For property damage, I'd probably give the lightest sentence/fine possible, but I'd come down a lot harder on any death/torture stuff - and even without torture, kidnap is a type of torture imo.

Anyway, that's the answer I'd give if I were sitting in a pub with my pals, at which point they would all groan and say, "You can never get a bloody straight answer out of this guy!"

jwb 08-08-2021 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2180828)
Your certainty of the Ultra Powerful Government justifiably and successfully enacting fascism in response to pressure from below is more dogmatic than anything batlord has said in this thread. Quit lying to yourself about this "concern" being exceptional. The consequences of approaching fixing the environment without impacting people's abilities to make money off of destroying it is the blowback that ecoterrorists are interested in avoiding.

it's not at all dogmatic, it's very predictable given the recent history of the war on terror.

I'm not even saying it will lead to full blown fascism but it's pretty reasonable to assume it will lead to a crack down... Which might very well lead to more sympathy among certain populations for the insurgents... But can you give me a single recent example that would lead you to believe this tactic would actually work in favor of the cause... Cause even when it comes t to global jihad, yeah they're more powerful today than they were 30 years ago but are they any closer to establishing a global caliphate? Complete lost cause...

Fact of the matter is that batlord asked a loaded question and then the two of you have just been giving me **** for not answering it the way you wanted. You just want us all to agree and say yay ecoterrorism or what?

Frownland 08-08-2021 05:57 PM

Can you cite a single recent example of well coordinated ecoterrorism that you're basing your stance on?

Neapolitan 08-08-2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2180843)
Can you cite a single recent example of well coordinated ecoterrorism that you're basing your stance on?

The Monkey Wrench Gang. You didn't say it had to be a nonfictious example, only an example.

The Batlord 08-08-2021 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2180841)
it's not at all dogmatic, it's very predictable given the recent history of the war on terror.

I'm not even saying it will lead to full blown fascism but it's pretty reasonable to assume it will lead to a crack down... Which might very well lead to more sympathy among certain populations for the insurgents... But can you give me a single recent example that would lead you to believe this tactic would actually work in favor of the cause... Cause even when it comes t to global jihad, yeah they're more powerful today than they were 30 years ago but are they any closer to establishing a global caliphate? Complete lost cause...

Fact of the matter is that batlord asked a loaded question and then the two of you have just been giving me **** for not answering it the way you wanted. You just want us all to agree and say yay ecoterrorism or what?

Like I said, I wasn't talking to you. I was specifically asking Lisna if he'd become more blackpilled, not opening a thoughtful debate with the rest of the forum.

jwb 08-08-2021 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2180843)
Can you cite a single recent example of well coordinated ecoterrorism that you're basing your stance on?

No... That's why i want to hear more about what this would look like because honestly it's not based in the reality I've seen

Sounds like a decent movie or book idea to me more than something i would expect to happen irl tbh

jwb 08-08-2021 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2180846)
Like I said, I wasn't talking to you. I was specifically asking Lisna if he'd become more blackpilled, not opening a thoughtful debate with the rest of the forum.

You respond anyway so it's irrelevant who you were initially asking. Either take it to the pm's or learn some self restraint and ignore me if you don't want to talk to me. In the meantime if you post it in public I'll say what i want about it.

The Batlord 08-08-2021 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2180851)
You respond anyway so it's irrelevant who you were initially asking. Either take it to the pm's or learn some self restraint and ignore me if you don't want to talk to me. In the meantime if you post it in public I'll say what i want about it.

It's not that I'm not willing to talk to you but it was simply a question not framed for you and you don't seem to get that.

jwb 08-08-2021 08:49 PM

I answered it regardless and i am confident one day you will come to terms with that my friend

jwb 08-08-2021 08:52 PM

I mean you're the one that says i have no principals or empathy... But i generally do think terrorism in general seems so likely to backfire and lead to so many negative consequences that i do instinctively view it as ethically dubious... Sorry if that bores you


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