Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I mean you could have just admitted that what you're doing now is pointless besides being a bridge to something that you think might be actually worthwhile. I think that kind of honesty would be refreshing in the current climate to combat the self-satisfied bull**** that allows everyday people to recycle and pretend that it's counteracting multinational corporate pollution.

TBH I think the thing that turns everyday people off the most is actually just how Disney-fied the whole conservationist thing is presented to the public. Just do this little thing that everyone secretly knows isn't that important and you're good for doing everything else that supports the destruction of the world. God forbid you should be honest about just how intense the situation actually is.

Originally Posted by elphenor

I'd vote for Trump

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Shrug. I've been through trauma bonding and spilling your guts. It's intoxicating but ultimately empty. Either the other person was just an unsuspecting sponge who didn't sign on for this **** or they have their own trauma they need to make bigger than yours.

Originally Posted by jwb

This is my main beef with your pov

You aren't content with giving up on life and everything else

You view any semblance of hope as some form of ignorance you wish to stamp out

Once again, misery loves company

Originally Posted by jwb

yea you're right.. there's no such thing as sharing experiences and feedback without an ulterior motive just like there's no such thing as trying to work towards environmental regulations, enjoying life in general, etc

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

More like I see many forms of hope as self-deception and humanity in general is prone to romanticizing self-deception as hope to the point that the very concept of hope often becomes indistinguishable with self-deception.

Originally Posted by jwb

I you're assuming it's self deception

With regard to the specific issue of environmental regulation, I believe there's more evidence that it's made a noticeable difference in this country than otherwise

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

We might save some marshes and forests and that's great, but for that **** to be worthwhile we have to not change the very climate of the planet to potentially change the very landscape of those places we think we saved.

Originally Posted by jwb

uh huh. All or nothing, in other words.

Which strategy you honestly think is likely to get the desired result... Trying to inch towards All, or just getting accustomed to nothing?

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.