Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 07-01-2019, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP

Just being here without authorization (lapsed tourism or work visa, f. ex.) isn't technically illegal, it's just a civil offense. So "illegal immigrant" doesn't apply. Crossing the border without papers is a federal misdemeanor, so would only apply to those people.

edit: yeah what elph said

no human being is illegal

I looked it up a bit most of what I saw wasn't really clear. I mean if you run a red light you're not an illegal driver but if you're driving without a license?

Mindfulness · 07-02-2019, 09:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjI5GgfNl5Q

OccultHawk · 07-02-2019, 10:24 AM

The praise the media is lavishing on Stephanie Grisham is crap. By deciding to shove North Korean security agents she was very likely forcing them into an unwinnable situation where the consequence could be concentration camps, death, and targeting of their family.

If Kim doesn’t like how the handle the situation they’re ****ed. If he thinks they used too much force they’re ****ed. If he thinks they used to little force their ****ed. They may look physically stout in the footage but they are absolutely powerless people living in an absolute dictatorship. Putting them in an impossible situation so Americans can take photographs is incorrigible and incredibly arrogant. **** her and **** the rest of the press for espousing this we have the right to be anywhere bull**** when real war correspondence is totally dead. Where are the journalists getting the live action death footage in the trenches like they got from WWI - Vietnam? Instead of staged photo ops of Trump go out and get some footage like they used to do.

The Batlord · 07-02-2019, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

The praise the media is lavishing on Stephanie Grisham is crap. By deciding to shove North Korean security agents she was very likely forcing them into an unwinnable situation where the consequence could be concentration camps, death, and targeting of their family.

If Kim doesn’t like how the handle the situation they’re ****ed. If he thinks they used too much force they’re ****ed. If he thinks they used to little force their ****ed. They may look physically stout in the footage but they are absolutely powerless people living in an absolute dictatorship. Putting them in an impossible situation so Americans can take photographs is incorrigible and incredibly arrogant. **** her and **** the rest of the press for espousing this we have the right to be anywhere bull**** when real war correspondence is totally dead. Where are the journalists getting the live action death footage in the trenches like they got from WWI - Vietnam? Instead of staged photo ops of Trump go out and get some footage like they used to do.

But then they couldn't take a step back and play the openminded uniters-not-dividers and praise the people they otherwise attack on TV.

Anteater · 07-02-2019, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the right has framed undocumented immigrants as criminals by definition but we all know it's about disdain for "the other"

I think it's p important

It's less about "the other" and more about "these guys aren't paying the taxes everyone else are but still getting federal $$$ and benefits."

PolitiFact and Vox both explore this topic, but they're both operating off faulty data. This is more representative on what's actually happening at the state and federal level.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/j...ceived-refunds

That being said, I'm in full support of making it as easy as possible to become a legal citizen. Neither party seems to want that though.

The Batlord · 07-02-2019, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

It's less about "the other" and more about "these guys aren't paying the taxes everyone else are but still getting federal $$$ and benefits."

If they have a car and pay for gas then they probably pay more taxes than I do.

OccultHawk · 07-02-2019, 01:55 PM

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it's speculated that it's an evolutionary vestige remaining from a time where foreign diseases were deadly...but that's just one explanation

I don’t think that theory adds up but whatever there’s lots of possible evolutionary causes for tribalism

Semi-related note: I think being less tribal than average makes it harder to stay employed.

OccultHawk · 07-02-2019, 02:01 PM

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it's the reason why Trump might elect to use the word "infestation" in reference to immigrants, it's an appeal to that base instinct

Looks like he only used that word in reference to MS-13.

The Batlord · 07-02-2019, 02:29 PM

Anteater · 07-02-2019, 04:10 PM

These guys are a riot.

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