Political Discussions for "Adults"

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You actually can’t say it around black people where I live

I’m not trying to dis you but it is like that

Also it misrepresents the character in the novel

Have you ever tried it?

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Have you ever tried it?

I know instinctively not to. I called Clarence Thomas Uncle Thomas when talking to a black friend and he laughed and said that’s a good one but he’s a really tight pal. Even then I still felt oblidged to say something about the novel and kind of regretted it.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 02:01 PM

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Just as the example you gave OH

Preciate the nod even if I had to beg for it.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

****in hell

I don't have ownership of my own labor?

practically the entire basis of classical liberalism?

if it's not me who makes the chair, than whoever makes it is still responsible for the value added

you have ownership of your own labor you just don't control what it's worth in dollars

If I'm a lawyer and I offer to get a client off for 5k, and someone else does it for 4k, that doesn't mean I don't own my labor. It means I was outbidded, and I'm not the only lawyer in town.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I know instinctively not to. I called Clarence Thomas Uncle Thomas when talking to a black friend and he laughed and said that’s a good one but he’s a really tight pal. Even then I still felt oblidged to say something about the novel and kind of regretted it.

I never thought it was that offensive.

I've never really used it in the context of race either. Just by the definition that's backed up in the dictionary. I also don't use it that often so nobody's ever told me that I shouldn't.

You guys are going to remember this too.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

for this example to be fair, the retailer would buy the chair from you and then sell it for a profit

no not really

That would be the case if you also supplied the tools and materials in addition to the labor

But the examples we're talking about aren't like that

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you're entitled to the value added of what you produce or at the very least, you are responsible for the value added

a lawyer is a very jank example for this

however being outbid would not lower the value added, it would mean you were exploited by not being on an even playing field with the employer

the lawyer is not getting paid what he put in, in this scenario, assuming he can't negotiate with the clients

You're just factually wrong
Being outbid by someone who provides the same labor at a lower price does indeed lower the value of your labor.

The same way that if you own a company that creates a product and another company comes along creating the same product and charging less, the value of your product goes down.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 02:59 PM

It's less valuable specifically because of the labor pool they are competing with. That's like asking is a Cuban cigar more valuable in America vs Cuba. It's more valuable because of the scarcity of the product here, despite being the same exact product in either location.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

if we remove the minimum wage and my employer now pays a new hire $4 instead of 8

but the buiz does not see a reduction in sales

has the value add dropped? even though he's doing the exact same job that just paid $8?

the value does drop if you create a pool of people willing to do the same labor for less.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 03:10 PM

what’s the point elph

He’s talking about simple market value supply and demand. As usual he’s just regurgitating the most elementary observations that are the intellectual equivalent as saying the sky is blue

You’re talking about closing the gap between the value added and the wage as a matter of justice and dignity for your fellow human being and his response will be some variation of your worth what the market will pay. The disturbing thing is he seems to think the market value has some kind of validity but honestly from how he explains things I think he might have some kind of cognitive difficulty with abstract thought. I mean he’ll say the shortest distance between two points is a straight line as if that’s something profound and new.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	what’s the point elph He’s talking about simple market value supply and demand. As usual he’s just regurgitating the most elementary observations that are the intellectual equivalent as saying the sky is blue You’re talking about closing the gap between the value added and the wage as a matter of justice and dignity for your fellow human being and his response will be some variation of your worth what the market will pay. The disturbing thing is he seems to think the market value has some kind of validity but honestly from how he explains things I think he might have some kind of cognitive difficulty with abstract thought. I mean he’ll say the shortest distance between two points is a straight line as if that’s something profound and new. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	It's less valuable specifically because of the labor pool they are competing with. That's like asking is a Cuban cigar more valuable in America vs Cuba. It's more valuable because of the scarcity of the product here, despite being the same exact product in either location.