Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 08-02-2019, 01:11 AM

Ant

You wanna clarify what you were sayin then?

Psy-Fi · 08-02-2019, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness

Biden/Gabbard 2020

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Originally Posted by debaserr

I'm gonna have a breakdown if Biden gets the nom.

Better start stocking up on your medication of choice.

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I think she's specifically trying to position herself for the Biden VP slot based on last night. Good luck trying to cozy up to Sanders or Warren.

She'd look good riding shotgun with Corvette Joe.

"Hammer Down, Baby!"

~~jwb~~ · 08-02-2019, 06:01 AM

I think when they finally make true AI it will probably just replace us

Hopefully there will be a nice grace period where we get to enjoy the fruits of automation before we are rendered obsolete by our creation.

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Why is what you're saying moral?

I honestly don't know where the outrage is coming from this time

All I did was speculate on the Democratic campaign strategy and you went off on labor theory and sluts being undervalued out of nowhere.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

alternative model

a realtor, builder, and painter work together to flip a house and then split the Value Added to said house

assuming they have to negotiate how much of the pie each of them gets based on their actual contribution to the project, that is basically the same model

And the scenario was one of a home owner looking to pay for a specific service for the sake of simplicity

My only point was that the one painter getting under bid and thus priced out isn't really devaluing him as a human

~~jwb~~ · 08-02-2019, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

2) He acts like people in a capitalist society are not over worked and are not denied the privilege to enjoy life because he's not a ****ing laborer.

I think it was Keynes that predicted we would be x times as wealthy by now vs when he was writing, and that we would work a 15 hr week.

His predictions on wealth were correct, the work week thing didn't come true cause instead we just spend more money, consume more, and have a higher standard of living.

Realistically we could work less if our priorities were different. That is why I do think capitalism is unsustainable long term because it is predicated on endless growth and will run the planet right into the ground in terms of resource management and impacts to the environment.

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3) When automation takes over you really think the people running the companies are going to give up an economic system that puts them in positions of power over everybody else?.

A big problem with the automation thing is that not only does it not address the question of resource management and sustainability, the current model relies on a vast consumer class to buy the products that are produced to make that profitable.

As jobs are lost to robots that consumer class shrinks, hence the calls for UBI

Anteater · 08-02-2019, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Are y’all joking or do you really not get Ant’s point?

He’s saying we don’t need to return to the agrarian servitude suffered by the people caught in 20th C communist revolutions and that we’re approaching the technological means to become post-money. He’s talking about using technology to serve our revolutionary goals.

Bingo. At least somebody knows how to read.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

What he said was ****ing stupid. 3 reasons why what he said was ****ing stupid.

1) He thinks people are going to be forced to work 12 hours every day on a farm. We have a small percentage of farmers here and a surplus of food. We wouldn't need that.

2) He acts like people in a capitalist society are not over worked and are not denied the privilege to enjoy life because he's not a ****ing laborer.

3) When automation takes over you really think the people running the companies are going to give up an economic system that puts them in positions of power over everybody else? He wasn't saying anything about a revolution he was trying to talk **** on communism. He's putting forth the same idea people had decades ago when people thought we'd be working less hours for the same pay. Except what really happened is people got fired and Detroit never recovered.

I know you're not this dumb so I don't get why you pretend to misunderstand the undertones of his commentary.

1. None of the technology or convenience you take for granted today would have emerged in a communistic society. Why? Because nobody is incentivized to innovate in a society where everyone is completely equal regardless of how much or how little they actually do. Complexity is a bitch: even in today's most utopian, "I can't believe this job exists" environments where creativity is highly rewarded, getting people to tackle anything challenging is like pulling teeth. So yes, all things taken into consideration, you would be working on a farm 12 hours a day.

2. My previous post you say is "****ing stupid" actually makes your point moot here.

3. You don't read up on what's happening in tech or automation anyway. What the **** would you know about what's actually gong on? The rich only hold power over people because money has power. In a society where scarcity disappears, money loses that power completely. The only way to get there is if tech, AI and automation advance to the point where the things we take for granted as unchangeable constants actually dissolve. No matter what type of system of government emerges otherwise, the "haves" will always find a way to sit on top.

~~jwb~~ · 08-02-2019, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

what if I told you most of the major tech/science/medical breakthroughs come from the public sector

thanks mostly to the military/DOD

OccultHawk · 08-02-2019, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

what if I told you most of the major tech/science/medical breakthroughs come from the public sector

Church

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None of the technology or convenience you take for granted today would have emerged in a communistic society.

Then why were the Russians first in space?

Anteater · 08-02-2019, 07:27 AM

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Then why were the Russians first in space?

I thought the USSR wasn't "real" communism?

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Originally Posted by elphenor

what if I told you most of the major tech/science/medical breakthroughs come from the public sector

A public sector existing and corroborating with capitalists. You wouldn't have a PC usable by a regular joe without a market for that PC after all.

OccultHawk · 08-02-2019, 07:42 AM

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I thought the USSR wasn't "real" communism?

I’m cool with that.

Has it ever existed in your opinion?

~~jwb~~ · 08-02-2019, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I thought the USSR wasn't "real" communism?

A public sector existing and corroborating with capitalists. You wouldn't have a PC usable by a regular joe without a market for that PC after all.

yeah but you also wouldn't have a PC without a microchip the military invented so they could take on the commies

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