Political Discussions for "Adults"

Trollheart · 07-23-2017, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Nah, he baked their kids into pies and tricked them into eating them, and then choked them with a spoon.

That's completely stupid and unrealistic. Occult can't bake!

Mindfulness · 07-25-2017, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I've done some nasty **** to get revenge when I felt shafted because of work hierarchy. I hold grudges for decades, too.

Lucem Ferre · 07-30-2017, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

You kidnapped them for 15 years, and then let them go and tricked them into ****ing their daughters?

My friend hates that movie because of the fact that he spent so much time and effort just to get this revenge. He hates the idea of revenge.

**Frownland** · 07-30-2017, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

My friend hates that movie because of the fact that he spent so much time and effort just to get this revenge. He hates the idea of revenge.

It makes sense that he would hate the definitive revenge movie then.

Zhanteimi · 07-31-2017, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Nah, he baked their kids into pies and tricked them into eating them, and then choked them with a spoon.

Titus Andronicus!

**Frownland** · 08-04-2017, 09:54 AM

Senate Passes "Right to Try" Bill to Help Terminally Ill Patients Get Experimental Drugs

The way this bill is being reported: a victory for individual rights. People are no longer restricted from trying potentially life saving medicine!

What this bill actually is: allowing snake oil salesmen to sell their products as medicine so long as it isn't found to be immediately toxic in phase one of testing. In the event that the treatment is found to be dangerous in the long term, the bill has measures to protect any companies responsible for those side effects.

Should have been called the "right to exploit the vulnerable" bill. There will obviously be some cases where legitimate medical companies with less funding can benefit from this bill, but mark my words that this will result in more harm than good.

**Frownland** · 08-04-2017, 12:58 PM

Someone argue with me about this scam, I'm all pissed off about it.

Chula Vista · 08-04-2017, 01:42 PM

I think it's a good thing. First off, the patient is already terminally ill, i.e., going to die.

If they have the means why not let them grasp at any straw available?

The Goldwater Institute and the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network are on board - both non-profits. That's a sound endorsement in my mind.

And how many bills to do see get passed by unanimous consent? Not a single senator dissented.

**Frownland** · 08-04-2017, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I think it's a good thing. First off, the patient is already terminally ill, i.e., going to die.

If they have the means why not let them grasp at any straw available?

Because people will knowingly put fake straws out there to make money off of those graspers. Appropriate straws for those people would be participating in clinical trials in the event that they don't have any other options. I see this bill as a means to weaken the FDA and protect unethical medicine/alternative mddicine practitioners. The way it's being framed as a way to help the terminally ill and not corporations is just sooooo disingenuous imo.

Also a little surprised that you support the Goldwater Institute (who wrote the bill) since they're quite firmly a conservative think tank. Nothing wrong with it, just surprised.

Chula Vista · 08-04-2017, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The way it's being framed as a way to help the terminally ill and not corporations is just sooooo disingenuous imo.

It's not like the straws won't already have undergone some scutiny. Big grey area between snake oil and FDA approved.

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Also a little surprised that you support the Goldwater Institute (who wrote the bill) since they're quite firmly a conservative think tank. Nothing wrong with it, just surprised.

Where did I say I support the Goldwater Group? I just think them, as a non-profit, signing on doesn't hurt. And senator Ron Johnson wrote the bill. Yes, it does go along the lines of what the GG has been trying to do for years.

In this extreme partisan era, that fact that no democrats or independents opposed the bill counts for a bit more in my book than your typical cynical opinion of things.

08-04-2017, 09:54 AM	#306 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Senate Passes "Right to Try" Bill to Help Terminally Ill Patients Get Experimental Drugs The way this bill is being reported: a victory for individual rights. People are no longer restricted from trying potentially life saving medicine! What this bill actually is: allowing snake oil salesmen to sell their products as medicine so long as it isn't found to be immediately toxic in phase one of testing. In the event that the treatment is found to be dangerous in the long term, the bill has measures to protect any companies responsible for those side effects. Should have been called the "right to exploit the vulnerable" bill. There will obviously be some cases where legitimate medical companies with less funding can benefit from this bill, but mark my words that this will result in more harm than good. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-04-2017, 12:58 PM	#307 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Someone argue with me about this scam, I'm all pissed off about it. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-04-2017, 01:42 PM	#308 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	I think it's a good thing. First off, the patient is already terminally ill, i.e., going to die. If they have the means why not let them grasp at any straw available? The Goldwater Institute and the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network are on board - both non-profits. That's a sound endorsement in my mind. And how many bills to do see get passed by unanimous consent? Not a single senator dissented. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”