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Old 09-05-2019, 08:11 AM   #3301 (permalink)
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I agree people like to feel useful, and if you are going to do a job you might as well do it right.
**** that. If the job isn't worth doing then it isn't worth doing right. That's some slave mentality ****.

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But regardless if what they say, most of those people are stuck working those jobs by monetary incentive. If you remove that incentive I'm guessing most people would find other ways to feel useful
Gonna have to be a lot of ****ing incentive. Not that I wouldn't be down with giving the whole work thing a pass and everyone just does what makes them happy and satisfied and robots do everything for us.

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Take for example the idea you should give 1k per kid on top of 1k for the adults. The argument Yang makes for his number is that most people really don't want to live on 12k a year and would still be motivated to find other sources of income. So if you take the mother with 3 kids... That's obviously true for her. It's not necessarily true if she's bringing in 48k on the basis of having 3 kids. That's a reasonably comfortable lifestyle with no real incentive to work.

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Wait do you actually get 1K per kid? I think at least some UBI plans give less for children.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:44 AM   #3302 (permalink)
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This is a problem.

Yang does own or define UBI.
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Biden’s eye filled with blood during the climate town hall. I can’t trust a man like that.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:17 AM   #3305 (permalink)
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orange tan tweeting about how the dems want to ruin America coming up during this debate will be fun .....
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Biden is basically a China-enabler, so he's toast if he's going to be pitted against Trump during the debates. At least Warren, Sanders and Yang can speak in complete sentences and remember things that happened more than 5 minutes ago.
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**** that. If the job isn't worth doing then it isn't worth doing right. That's some slave mentality ****.
I disagree. You have more to gain from striving to do better at everything you do than you do from cynically shrinking away from your reality and trying to wait the clock out.

It gives you resolve, durability, adaptability, and mental toughness. Of course there's only so much you can get from any one job. So if you find yourself in an utterly unfulfilling job that brings you no satisfaction even when you perform it to the best of your ability, that's a terrible thing and you need a different job.



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Gonna have to be a lot of ****ing incentive. Not that I wouldn't be down with giving the whole work thing a pass and everyone just does what makes them happy and satisfied and robots do everything for us.
Not that much, actually. Let's say you double the UBI and now it's 24k a year. That's more than you will make at Burger King, so a lot of people simply wouldn't work those jobs anymore.

A few ambitious people who want the extra income but have no skills would. But plenty of people who are already used to making less than 20k a year would just opt out.


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Wait do you actually get 1K per kid? I think at least some UBI plans give less for children.
i was comparing and contrasting Yang's plan which would just give the mother 12k with elph's idea that it's wrong for children to get it too. If you add 3 kids at 12k per year that bumps you up to 48k, a comfortable middle class income. The more kids you have the more lucrative a household becomes.
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The China "issue" is a sham anyway

I don't agree with Biden on trade, but it's about our own Buiz class not China

that's the reason Trump had to back down the moment investors didn't like it

China is winning fair and square because multi-national corporations don't care about American workers
China doesn't pay fair lol

They use currency manipulation and they don't allow foreign firms to sell products in Chinese markets without forfeiting intellectual property, which the Chinese then use to run the foreign firms in China out of business.

They're desperately trying to prop up the paper tiger that is China's economic power by any means necessary. They are very overrated as an economic power imo.
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I disagree. You have more to gain from striving to do better at everything you do than you do from cynically shrinking away from your reality and trying to wait the clock out.

It gives you resolve, durability, adaptability, and mental toughness. Of course there's only so much you can get from any one job. So if you find yourself in an utterly unfulfilling job that brings you no satisfaction even when you perform it to the best of your ability, that's a terrible thing and you need a different job.
It mentally trains you to be an unthinking cog who devalues their own labor for the benefit of an employer who will most likely not strive to be as good a boss to you as you are an employee to them. Labor becomes something one does as a moral and social obligation rather than as a tool for their own betterment, optimistically shrinking from your reality because you are willingly widening the uneven footing between yourself and your employer.

****ing rednecks and their Protestant work ethic.
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