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WWWP 07-29-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2128408)
American politics is R-word Downy Jr.ed.

Americans are R-word Downy Jr.ed.

Lol! Is this what prise feels like?

TheBig3 07-29-2020 08:41 AM

What, in your opinion, is the Left postion on this? Allow violent protests to be ignored?

WWWP 07-29-2020 08:53 AM

Not ignored, encouraged. Burn it all down.

Frownland 07-29-2020 08:57 AM



Reporter: Do you support the Viet Cong?
Newton: Of course we support the Vietnamese people. Matter of fact–
Reporter: *Viet Cong
Newton: Oh. The Vietnamese people don't know what the word means and they've never used the word, so I don't know what it means.

Not going to speak for anyone else, but this exchange reflects how I view the issue of our "violent protests". It's a distractive tactic that attempt to keep violence at the centre of the conversation around the protests as opposed to what the protesters are saying. Discussing how we should address the scenario only entrenches the idea that these are not peaceful protests and concedes that they are a problem that needs to be "solved".

It's a variation of stupid playground trolling where you ask your friend something like "out of all of the guys you kissed, how many of them were gay?" to which they'll quickly respond "none of them!" and you're like lol so you've kissed dudes?

P.s. Property damage is not violence so burn it all down indeed.

The Batlord 07-29-2020 09:05 AM

I say we arrest the violent protesters so that we can have only likable protesters who make us feel like the voice of the people is being heard but who we nevertheless feel contempt for because they are weak and accomplish nothing. That's the kind of civil "unrest" that I want.

TheBig3 07-29-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2128440)

Reporter: Do you support the Viet Cong?
Newton: Of course we support the Vietnamese people. Matter of fact–
Reporter: *Viet Cong
Newton: Oh. The Vietnamese people don't know what the word means and they've never used the word, so I don't know what it means.

Not going to speak for anyone else, but this exchange reflects how I view the issue of our "violent protests". It's a distractive tactic that attempt to keep violence at the centre of the conversation around the protests as opposed to what the protesters are saying. Discussing how we should address the scenario only entrenches the idea that these are not peaceful protests and concedes that they are a problem that needs to be "solved".

It's a variation of stupid playground trolling where you ask your friend something like "out of all of the guys you kissed, how many of them were gay?" to which they'll quickly respond "none of them!" and you're like lol so you've kissed dudes?

P.s. Property damage is not violence so burn it all down indeed.

1. This is fair. I do think there's a concerted effort to make violence the center of the debate. And that's a dodge on the part of the power structure to avoid any substantive reform. That said, this isn't what Biden is saying. If anything, this statement imo does two things:

A. Defangs the Rights ability to say Biden supports riots.
B. Moves off the topic of violence to return to the issues of structural reform.

2. You and I had different playgrounds growing up.

Frownland 07-29-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2128446)
A. Defangs the Rights ability to say Biden supports riots.

In a way that's true, but I don't think that it will stop them or even be unsuccessful in their attempts. Turning lies or half truths into mantras via repetition is hot right now.

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B. Moves off the topic of violence to return to the issues of structural reform.
There's the lip service caveat he provides, but where else does he do this?

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2. You and I had different playgrounds growing up.
Ja I grew up around a bunch of rednecks and hopefully kids aren't as homophobic these days, but surely you see the logical similarities.

TheBig3 07-29-2020 09:22 AM

Learn to take the joke my friend. You sound wound up.

I actually don't think Biden will be bad on these reforms. His entire campaign for President is because of the Black Community. And the party is moving hard in that direction. I'm more worried about his actions toward financial reform having been a defacto credit card lobbyist for his many years in the Senate.

But I wonder. If his position is such lip service on structural reforms, why do you suspect Black Americans voted for his so strongly?

Frownland 07-29-2020 09:31 AM

Get better at jokes first dawg

I won't speak for why he has some black supporters, I'm sure they have their reasons good and bad just like us white people do. His statements on reform (which in this interview was "we can't let violent acts overshadow the message of these protests, but [long discussion on violent protestors]") is lip service since it contradicts his actions and will be lip service until he does something more actionable. Much like draining the swamp is a great idea but clearly not something he was intending to do.

jwb 07-29-2020 09:33 AM

I think it is probably something to do with the anti Biden ads Trump is running with riots in the background and some old lady calling 911 and nobody answering.

Trump is going with the law and order schtick and Biden is trying to straddle that fence. I don't think the law and order approach is very likely to work for Trump since he's the one in power currently and polling suggests most people trust Biden more on this issue.

As for Biden and the black community... It's worth remembering that Obama picked Biden in large part as a sort of nod to older white moderates. It's funny how short our collective attention span is.


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