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Old 08-17-2017, 08:46 PM   #661 (permalink)
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So, are you establishing yourself as the expert in regard to debating skills? You got a diploma or sumpin?

Don't live up to Frowny's standards = bad debater.

Now I get it.
It's more like if you take the dead center position on every issue you could pass off not knowing enough to have an opinion as "nuance"
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Old 08-17-2017, 09:07 PM   #662 (permalink)
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So, are you establishing yourself as the expert in regard to debating skills? You got a diploma or sumpin?
Idk ahout expert but I have a pretty good understanding of the conventions of logic, which means I can spot fallacies more easily, and those are the trademark of a bad debator.

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How else would you determine that? Lobbyist endorsed opinions from 9 different CNN analysts? Wouldn't relying on that be a sort of standard in itself? Step off with your bitter self.

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I know this guy like totally mooches off the system man, exhibit A welfare is bad rip liberals you can't handle the nuance
Nah, you just suck at inferring in that instance. See your emotive mess going on right here? That's why you're in the op.
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It's more like if you take the dead center position on every issue you could pass off not knowing enough to have an opinion as "nuance"
For example, this is a strawman.
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Old 08-17-2017, 09:24 PM   #664 (permalink)
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I seriously think I could do it if I created an alt

give really general American know nothing answers on issues and have you defend me for it
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Old 08-17-2017, 09:31 PM   #666 (permalink)
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Nah, you just suck at inferring in that instance. See your emotive mess going on right here? That's why you're in the op.
I'm supposed to infer a fact from an anecdotal
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I'm supposed to infer a fact from an anecdotal
I called him out on that as well, but he came back and backed with some numbers. Or maybe that was a different time, feel free to investigate MBtectives.

From where I'm sitting, in those instances, he's responding to your sweeping utopian statements of support for programs that can clearly be improved for reasons of both efficacy and fraud. Improving the system is not the same as abolishing it, and pointing out flaws is the first step in that direction and isn't the same as opposing it. Strawman out the ass with that come on.
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I don't have a beef with the guy or anything, but I see his views about the same as I see his tastes in music, he's a pleb, his posts read like what "this isn't even music" may read like to you

I don't recall him "coming back with some numbers" and he also called for direct removal of assistance based on some hilariously feely criteria, which is precisely the stuff I rip him for not "there is some fraud that could be fixed somehow" which is just a truism
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I'm in the OP because I didn't sufficiently pamper his half baked opinions
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Idk ahout expert but I have a pretty good understanding of the conventions of logic, which means I can spot fallacies more easily.
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