Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 07-28-2020, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

my salary

SGR · 07-28-2020, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I knew that comment would get a response.

But I lead a difficult and strenuous existence. When I work overtime, I don't even get paid for it. Not to mention the exorbitant service fees on my Mercedes. They charge $50 during the course of the service to change the windshield wipers, and it isn't even optional! Highway robbery, man. I am an exploited proletariat.

WWWP · 07-28-2020, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Scary maps you got there pal.

2016: 61.5% D - 31.5% R
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/20...lts/california
2012: 59.3% D - 38.3% R
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/20...alifornia.html
2008: 60.9% D - 37.3% R
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/20...alifornia.html

That's some amazing momentum they're building up

YOU'LL SEE

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 02:43 PM

I'll look forward to that.

TheBig3 · 07-28-2020, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

This is an interesting question and I've heard convincing arguments on both sides of it. If you're generally an across-the-board liberal on all or most issues, then it would make sense to vote for Biden just for the supreme court appointments.

But, if you're a progressive who feels like Biden has made little or no effort to compromise with a progressive agenda, then perhaps he hasn't done enough to earn your vote. Perhaps, by abstaining from the election, they could show the Democrats and the DNC that, if they want to win elections in the future, they have to throw them a bone and implement some of their policy proposals.

So the Biden-Bernie task force and the recommendations that came from it weren't enough for you?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/polit...ons/index.html

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Representative democracy is a terrible form of government because people are stupid and easily led sheep just waiting for the right manipulator to herd them in a certain direction. Representative democracy's only real benefit after you cast off all the propaganda bull**** about "will of the people" and "freedom" is that elected officials have to at least consider the will of the people when deciding policy.

And what form of government would you suggest we adopt?

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This is a rather melodramatic framing of the question. You act like anyone owes Biden their vote. Not voting for him isn't "overturning" anyone else's vote.

I'm undecided as to whether I'll vote for him based on some of Trump's latest authoritarian stunts but if I do it certainly won't be out of any sort of loyalty to the Democrats or Biden.

You don't owe him your vote. But assuming you're a registered Democrat, and you participated in the primary, I have to wonder why you wouldn't support the party in the general?

Ezra Klein recently wrote that we live in a weak-party timeline where people don't have party loyalty, so it adds up that people take this position. But I can't help but think its illogical.

What was the reason you participated in the primary? Presumably one issue. Do you not think that issue is advanced in a Biden administration? I really think people are undervaluing Congressional control, and way way way over valuing the Presidency.

Why do people think the White House means a damn thing after Obama? Why do people assume Bernie would have done anything in the White House?

SGR · 07-28-2020, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

So the Biden-Bernie task force and the recommendations that came from it weren't enough for you?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/polit...ons/index.html

I'm not saying it's not enough for me, I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about progressives in general. Like I said, if a Bernie fan told me that Biden hasn't done enough to earn their vote, I could try and argue the points, but if they still refuse, well then that's their decision. Biden doesn't deserve their vote by default.

Norg · 07-28-2020, 04:30 PM

trust me Texas is RED 444444 LIfe

if Biden wins Texas BAN ME !!!!!!

J/k

The Batlord · 07-28-2020, 04:30 PM

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And what form of government would you suggest we adopt?

AI dictatorship.

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You don't owe him your vote. But assuming you're a registered Democrat, and you participated in the primary, I have to wonder why you wouldn't support the party in the general?

All registered Democrats should be exterminated.

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 04:51 PM

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You don't owe him your vote. But assuming you're a registered Democrat, and you participated in the primary, I have to wonder why you wouldn't support the party in the general?

I never vote. Last time I voted was 2008 for Obama when I had just come of age. I made the exception this time for Bernie because I thought it was exciting that the Democrats were offering up a type of candidate I would've previously considered far fetched.

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Ezra Klein recently wrote that we live in a weak-party timeline where people don't have party loyalty, so it adds up that people take this position. But I can't help but think its illogical.

I don't exactly know what this even means

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What was the reason you participated in the primary? Presumably one issue. Do you not think that issue is advanced in a Biden administration? I really think people are undervaluing Congressional control, and way way way over valuing the Presidency.

Why do people think the White House means a damn thing after Obama? Why do people assume Bernie would have done anything in the White House?

tbh I had little faith he would ever get his agenda through but it was worth trying both from the vantage point of strategy and curiosity. I mean Biden might throw some crumbs here and there but nothing that I can get excited about. Nothing that the democratic establishment doesn't always run on. Part of the entire appeal of Bernie to me was the ongoing attempt to change/shift the democratic party. I agree Congress is undervalued and I also voted for the progressive candidate in the primaries fora position in Congress here but she lost. I do think it's worthwhile to challenge moderate incumbents in congressional races. I also think it would be important symbolically to have someone like Sanders as president, even assuming he can't accomplish the bulk of his agenda.

OccultHawk · 07-28-2020, 04:59 PM

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AI dictatorship.

A carefully thought planned AI dictatorship is something I really think I could get behind.

I’ve heard lots of stories about dystopian about AI going wrong but if we got ahead of it with the humility that we obviously can’t manage ourselves it really could be our best hope.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I'll look forward to that.

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