Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 08-31-2020, 05:01 PM

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absurdities of looting a Target

What’s absurd about looting a Target?

~~jwb~~ · 08-31-2020, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Doubtful. Dogs and water hoses for marching, or sitting at a lunch counter aren't the same thing. But I don't recall riots until Watts.

So now that you've had your cheap shot, at least do me the favor of answering the question: Don't you think these absurdities of looting a Target are helping Trump?

I'm not sure why you keep talking about riots like pieces on a chess board

I doubt if there's any such thing as "strategic" rioting.

It's an outpour of rage. The question is just whether or not you think the anger is justified.

TheBig3 · 08-31-2020, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Dogs and water hoses became military gear. I think that you're helping Trump by focusing on an hour of looting on one block over hundreds of hours of peaceful protest across the nation.

You're assuming I'm focusing on it. The reason I bring it up is that the link had Biden saying looting was bad. It's good strategy. It defangs Trumps attacks which is the best asset Biden has. It's hard to get people to think he hates the suburbs*, it's hard to get people to believe he leads the rampaging hordes.

The DSA contingent doesn't seem to be able to separate two things very often. Biden is playing smart politics here. Do you think he's going to snatch up protestors in unmarked vans? I don't. I also think he's got a weird** ability to actually move things forward in Congress that would actually help disenfranchised communities like getting families into homes t both build equity and diminish gentrification.

*I hate the suburbs and I think we should over-invest in MFH and regional rail but this is beside the point.

**Weird here meaning he can suggest the same policy and for reasons I can't explain not be labeled a monster for them. This is why Trump tried to sink him on Ukraine/Burisma

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Originally Posted by jwb

I'm not sure why you keep talking about riots like pieces on a chess board

I doubt if there's any such thing as "strategic" rioting.

It's an outpour of rage. The question is just whether or not you think the anger is justified.

To me everything is a chess piece. And if you don't think that way I don't understand what your purpose it. Yes, that's ignorant. No, I don't care.

The rage is justified. The action is stupid. All your chess pieces should work in tandem to take out the biggest threats. Today it's electing Biden, tomorrow its bullying Congress to pass legislation they promised us.

~~jwb~~ · 08-31-2020, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

To me everything is a chess piece. And if you don't think that way I don't understand what your purpose it. Yes, that's ignorant. No, I don't care.

The rage is justified. The action is stupid. All your chess pieces should work in tandem to take out the biggest threats. Today it's electing Biden, tomorrow its bullying Congress to pass legislation they promised us.

Uh huh... Not everybody is going to act out your desired chess game though. If your strategy includes controlling the actions of tons of random people you don't control... Get another strategy.

BTW, you starting to sweat over this election or what? Trump seems like he's closing in on Biden. The strategy of hiding from public attention might not hold up. What do you think?

**Frownland** · 08-31-2020, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

You're assuming I'm focusing on it. The reason I bring it up is that the link had Biden saying looting was bad. It's good strategy. It defangs Trumps attacks which is the best asset Biden has. It's hard to get people to think he hates the suburbs*, it's hard to get people to believe he leads the rampaging hordes.

Nah you're definitely focusing on it given that you consistently conflate BLM with looting and rioting.

The world doesn't stop and start to serve your short term political ends. Most of the protestors are voting Biden anyway.

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The DSA contingent doesn't seem to be able to separate two things very often. Biden is playing smart politics here. Do you think he's going to snatch up protestors in unmarked vans? I don't. I also think he's got a weird** ability to actually move things forward in Congress that would actually help disenfranchised communities like getting families into homes t both build equity and diminish gentrification.

I admire your faith. I think Biden wouldn't mind taking advantage of some of the doors Trump has opened since that's been the nature of executive expansion so far.

TheBig3 · 08-31-2020, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Uh huh... Not everybody is going to act out your desired chess game though. If your strategy includes controlling the actions of tons of random people you don't control... Get another strategy.

BTW, you starting to sweat over this election or what? Trump seems like he's closing in on Biden. The strategy of hiding from public attention might not hold up. What do you think?

I don't know where control comes in. You should be driving toward one thing you really want. And you should be attempting to achieve it from three angles. Assuming two will rat **** you. I have no faith in Biden. I have no faith in Congress, and I certainly have no faith in the people. You pressure all three, and you hope for the best. Adapt where necessary. But this idea of ideological purity isn't just unfounded, to me, its a dumb persons idea of a smart persons position.

As for the election, yeah, I think these riots are giving Trump something to run on and he's a better marketer with far less moral barriers than the DNC. Will it work? Remains to be seen. We'll know who wins after the third debate. It's the only time Team Trump will have to watch Biden answer questions and see him perform.

If I gambled, all my chips would be on the debate.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Nah you're definitely focusing on it given that you consistently conflate BLM with looting and rioting.

And you're not as smart as you think you are. I've consistently conflated them? What else are you going to pull out of your ass? You have a perception of me you think is reality. It isn't.

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I admire your faith. I think Biden wouldn't mind taking advantage of some of the doors Trump has opened since that's been the nature of executive expansion so far.

You have far too much faith in the Democrats. They aren't nearly as lock-step as the GOP. Did you not watch the fight for the ACA? Democrats always want to be the smart one. And letting someone else take credit for an idea kills them inside. Everyone needs to get their balls rubbed on television about how smart they are before they vote for something.

If I see another hot shot mayor who says something like "The division of the past won't do. We have something better. We have data." I'm going to punch them in their warby parkers.

The Batlord · 08-31-2020, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Doubtful. Dogs and water hoses for marching, or sitting at a lunch counter aren't the same thing. But I don't recall riots until Watts.

So now that you've had your cheap shot, at least do me the favor of answering the question: Don't you think these absurdities of looting a Target are helping Trump?

It's not just about Trump. White suburbanites will ignore what has led to these riots in perpetuity if nothing escalates because the people rioting are only doing so because nobody ****ing listens to them. Telling the protesters that they should restrict themselves to signs and singing kumbaya while being completely non-threatening is condemning their cause to perpetual failure because without the threat of violence a crowd of angry people with no power have no leverage.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

To me everything is a chess piece. And if you don't think that way I don't understand what your purpose it. Yes, that's ignorant. No, I don't care.

The rage is justified. The action is stupid. All your chess pieces should work in tandem to take out the biggest threats. Today it's electing Biden, tomorrow its bullying Congress to pass legislation they promised us.

And just what has all your chess playing done for this country? We can't even be European centrists in this country without being deemed radicals and you think your chess games have any leverage? That is some white collar LARPing.

**Frownland** · 08-31-2020, 05:33 PM

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And you're not as smart as you think you are. I've consistently conflated them? What else are you going to pull out of your ass? You have a perception of me you think is reality. It isn't.

Ja I'm probably not that smart.

As far as my perception of you goes, all I have to go on is how you act on here and when I talk about what you're focusing on, I'm referring to your presence here. Your image of me is likely off base as well. It's a common flaw of the internet.

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You have far too much faith in the Democrats. They aren't nearly as lock-step as the GOP. Did you not watch the fight for the ACA? Democrats always want to be the smart one. And letting someone else take credit for an idea kills them inside. Everyone needs to get their balls rubbed on television about how smart they are before they vote for something.

If I see another hot shot mayor who says something like "The division of the past won't do. We have something better. We have data." I'm going to punch them in their warby parkers.

Ok.

Lucem Ferre · 08-31-2020, 05:37 PM

Since this is a thread about political discussion for adults, Big 3, I want to know your views on Harry Potter. Do you think muggles are superior to wizards?

~~jwb~~ · 08-31-2020, 05:37 PM

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I don't know where control comes in. You should be driving toward one thing you really want. And you should be attempting to achieve it from three angles. Assuming two will rat **** you. I have no faith in Biden. I have no faith in Congress, and I certainly have no faith in the people. You pressure all three, and you hope for the best. Adapt where necessary. But this idea of ideological purity isn't just unfounded, to me, its a dumb persons idea of a smart persons position.

control comes in when you talk about the rioters like a suboptimally placed chess piece. Is it ideal for your election goals? Maybe not. Do they care and do they share your goals and general sentiments? Likely not.

As for ideological purity I'm not sure what that's in reference to.

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As for the election, yeah, I think these riots are giving Trump something to run on and he's a better marketer with far less moral barriers than the DNC. Will it work? Remains to be seen. We'll know who wins after the third debate. It's the only time Team Trump will have to watch Biden answer questions and see him perform.

Come on.. the riots have been going on forever now. Don't blame the conditions. Biden has virtually optimal conditions for running against an incumbent. The economy is stagnant. The country is in a pandemic and there's chaos in the streets. There's nobody and nothing to blame if you can't take the incumbent out here. Biden has a dick (supposedly) so you can't even blame it on misogyny. And the Russia excuse got old long ago. The pressure is on.