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The Batlord 06-26-2021 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2177567)
They both love ethnic genocide?

That's at least mildly redundant.

jwb 06-26-2021 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jadis (Post 2177571)
IMHO this type of rhetoric forecloses any meaningful engagement in politics: if you brand a collective as broad as the American (or the Iranian) people a bunch of genocide-loving racists, then where do you go from there? To the self-satisfied knowledge of your superiority and what else?

On the flip side.. where does the rhetoric of "working people in Iran/USA have xyz in common" get us either? Is it bringing us any closer to peace? No, because that kind of sentiment is irrelevant to geopolitics.

Ants from different colonies have a lot in common too yet they still go to war.

The Batlord 06-26-2021 10:51 PM

Side with nationalism cause *hands in pockets shrug*.

jwb 06-26-2021 10:58 PM

I didn't side with anything. We're talking about "where do we go with xyz rhetoric" and I'm just applying that to that specific line of rhetoric. It's equally aimless and fruitless as what LF said tbh. Iranians and Americans have stuff in common. Cool. What difference does that make??

jadis 06-26-2021 11:12 PM

Well, my position is that the utter irrelevance of the "workers unite" talk notwithstanding, the idea that "geopolitics" is divorceable from or anterior to ideology is every bit as ideologically-driven as insect metaphors.

More than happy to leave it at that, I'm here to talk about Siouxsie and the Banshees.

jwb 06-26-2021 11:21 PM

I didn't say geopolitics and ideology are divorced. I said the the sentiment that we're all just people is irrelevant to the geopolitical pressures which manifest themselves in actual conflict.

The Germans living under Nazi Germany had a lot in common with us too. Once again what difference does that actually make?

The Batlord 06-26-2021 11:33 PM

Well if you accept your place in the world under rich wealth extractors then it doesn't make any difference.

jwb 06-26-2021 11:50 PM

And if you don't...?

jadis 06-26-2021 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2177578)
I didn't say geopolitics and ideology are divorced. I said the the sentiment that we're all just people is irrelevant to the geopolitical pressures which manifest themselves in actual conflict.

The Germans living under Nazi Germany had a lot in common with us too. Once again what difference does that actually make?

I would say that yes, military combat indeed collapses whatever ideas of shared humanity that we may have.

I wouldn't confound this with something as vague and incoherent as "geopolitical pressures" though. It can mean anything from "in order to prosper, Germans must carve vast territories to the east into their Lebensraum by ethnically cleansing and enslaving local populations, who they regard as biologically inferior" to "we need to renegotiate the terms of our access to this source of water."

The Batlord 06-27-2021 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2177581)
And if you don't...?

Well if nothing else you don't become a boring, passionless lump who might as well be an accountant in a thrift store suit.


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