Political Discussions for "Adults"

TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

this is true, but mostly for men with only a high school education or less, it's beneficial for everyone else

with the political will we could use the government to lend a hand to displaced workers with the tax revenue gained from a growing economy, this doesn't have to be a problem

however if you're a Tru communist, you'd simply ask why are American workers more important than workers from anywhere else

I'm not a communist (of any kind) but I did ask "What's so great about America" which is roughly the same point. Immigration from southern countries relative to the US is decreasing, but it's a bit strange to me to completely ignore why they're coming here in favor of being welcoming.

Their families are recruited to cartels, threatened with murder, the would-be murders are above the law, and the US does nothing. I sometimes wonder if people are pro-open borders because Trump wants a wall.

For all the warmongering that goes on in this country, you'd think sending in troops to clear out cartels and stabilize the countries with neighboring parterns would be something we could all get behind. If there was a real opportunity to build a life in the country you were born in, I'm guessing most people would take it. Which would satisfy both the left and the right. To me that's the objective to go for.

America needs immigration to survive. No OECD country breeds to replacement, and most of our small businesses and real talent come in from abroad. But the way things currently shake out is that both the drug-war profiteers win, and corporate america wins with this status quo iimmigration. Which includes Trump. He's prevented nothing because it's good for big business, private prisons, and Federal contracts for any idiot who says they can build cages, or repair a grid after hurricanes.

**Marie Monday** · 11-06-2020, 08:01 AM

Talking about ignoring why they're coming in favour of being welcoming sounds like the two are mutually exclusive, which I don't think is true

OccultHawk · 11-06-2020, 08:15 AM

I do think there’s a lot false advertising and misunderstanding about that America really is in much of the third world. Many people, do indeed, find life here worse than it was at home.

TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Talking about ignoring why they're coming in favour of being welcoming sounds like the two are mutually exclusive, which I don't think is true

Right. But American politics can be very "If they like it, I hate it" and I'm sure I don't need to make the case for Americans being self-centered and indifferent.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I do think there’s a lot false advertising and misunderstanding about that America really is in much of the third world. Many people, do indeed, find life here worse than it was at home.

But that's an "us" problem. People don't need to have lives that bad in this country. I think we just have too many fat ****s who want to feel like they matter despite not having any ambition, and order UberEats and Drizzly to their coach while they binge-watch Netflix in sweatpants.

Americans generally speaking love to give opinions on things they don't know anything about. I'm against voter suppression, but some of these people should be ashamed they vote when they're so easily manipulated.

**Frownland** · 11-06-2020, 08:23 AM

Sounds like a great thing to succumb to.

OccultHawk · 11-06-2020, 08:32 AM

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People don't need to have lives that bad in this country. I think we just have too many fat ****s who want to feel like they matter despite not having any ambition, and order UberEats and Drizzly to their coach while they binge-watch Netflix in sweatpants.

That’s what you think is a bad life?

With bad breaks no amount of ambition...

Oh **** this point with people who can’t see it intuitively.

TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

That’s what you think is a bad life?

With bad breaks no amount of ambition...

Oh **** this point with people who can’t see it intuitively.

I need to hire a forensics specialist to figure out where things went wrong.

No. I do not think that is a bad life. I think that's a life of entitled people who don't want "the other" coming in and taking their ****. Who are only told "gangs are coming in" and go vote for Trump.

Lucem Ferre · 11-06-2020, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Right. But American politics can be very "If they like it, I hate it" and I'm sure I don't need to make the case for Americans being self-centered and indifferent.

Allegedly a big reason why Trump got so many supporters was because liberals are mean. Imagine your political identity being molded by the fact that you got bullied by a liberal. That's the most spineless thing ever. Like, you don't have an actual belief you're just a whiny bitch. Pathetic.

Probably true, too.

TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Allegedly a big reason why Trump got so many supporters was because liberals are mean. Imagine your political identity being molded by the fact that you got bullied by a liberal. That's the most spineless thing ever. Like, you don't have an actual belief you're just a whiny bitch. Pathetic.

Probably true, too.

Yeah and based on the last four years I have to believe it's true in some measure.

I'm all for saying the Professional Managerial Class sold out the rust belt. But how they choose to respond to it, and their own lack of self-involvement blows my mind.

Amazon's HQ2 is not coming to your former factory town because the governor cut corporate taxes, my friend. Stop the urban sprawl, support policies that concentrate people closer to major cities, and invest in yourselves. You can't cut taxes low enough for people to care about you. Without State/Federal spending you're never going to become a prosperous location.

Lucem Ferre · 11-06-2020, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Yeah and based on the last four years I have to believe it's true in some measure.

I'm all for saying the Professional Managerial Class sold out the rust belt. But how they choose to respond to it, and their own lack of self-involvement blows my mind.

Amazon's HQ2 is not coming to your former factory town because the governor cut corporate taxes, my friend. Stop the urban sprawl, support policies that concentrate people closer to major cities, and invest in yourselves. You can't cut taxes low enough for people to care about you. Without State/Federal spending you're never going to become a prosperous location.

Actually they do tend to vote for left leaning policies like upping the minimum wage and a public option for healthcare when it's presented to them they just don't like the politicians attached to these ideas. Well, actual leftists that know how to speak to populism have done much much better than the establishment democrats that talk down on us Bernie bros this election. It's as if Dems are out of touch and take people for granted. Even though Republicans are much much much worse for them at least they are in touch with the common people enough to pander to them.

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