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Old 03-05-2021, 12:19 PM   #9171 (permalink)
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Democratic Sens. Tom Carper of Delaware, Chris Coons of Delaware, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Jon Tester of Montana voted against the measure, as did all Republicans.

The number of Democratic defections was a surprise and many of those voting “no” did not immediately explain their stance.
What is going on in Delaware and New Hampshire, the others are from much more conservative areas.
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Old 03-05-2021, 12:33 PM   #9172 (permalink)
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What is going on in Delaware and New Hampshire, the others are from much more conservative areas.
Off the top of my head - Delaware is all but a land-based tax haven.

New Hampshire is not liberal at all. And their Governor just won in a landslide meaning anti-progress policies were endorsed.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:53 AM   #9173 (permalink)
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New Hampshire is not liberal at all.
In the last 8 general elections, New Hampshire voted for a Republican only once.

https://www.270towin.com/states/New_Hampshire
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:05 PM   #9175 (permalink)
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In the last 8 general elections, New Hampshire voted for a Republican only once.

https://www.270towin.com/states/New_Hampshire
Is this supposed to mean something? Florida voted for Trump and to increase the minimum wage and give voting rights to convicts.

Are they a Conservative state?
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Old 03-11-2021, 06:31 AM   #9176 (permalink)
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Is this supposed to mean something? Florida voted for Trump and to increase the minimum wage and give voting rights to convicts.

Are they a Conservative state?
Your original statement was that "NH is not liberal at all" which is misleading if not disingenuous. Besides NH's recent general election history, the two current US senators from NH and the current US reps from NH are all (D)'s. NH is not some bastion of conservatism. That's the point - it's not just some binary characterization where a state is either all liberal or all conservative.

Are they as liberal as Massachusetts or neighboring Vermont? No. But to say that they aren't liberal at all simply isn't true.
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Your original statement was that "NH is not liberal at all" which is misleading if not disingenuous. Besides NH's recent general election history, the two current US senators from NH and the current US reps from NH are all (D)'s. NH is not some bastion of conservatism. That's the point - it's not just some binary characterization where a state is either all liberal or all conservative.

Are they as liberal as Massachusetts or neighboring Vermont? No. But to say that they aren't liberal at all simply isn't true.
So you're going to try to indite me on a % argument? You and I both know that relative to what's going on with the national GOP, it's not Conservative. In fact, they went for Biden. Are we now calling Biden liberal? Biden is the type of Country Club Republican that plays very well in the Northeast.

They're not Ted Cruz voters. That doesn't mean they're liberal. As Tip O'Neill once said of New Hampshire "Those guys don't even like parks." They're a leave-me-alone state in Culture and politics. As your own comment mentioned, they didn't vote for the $15 minimum wage.
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So you're going to try to indite me on a % argument? You and I both know that relative to what's going on with the national GOP, it's not Conservative. In fact, they went for Biden. Are we now calling Biden liberal? Biden is the type of Country Club Republican that plays very well in the Northeast.

They're not Ted Cruz voters. That doesn't mean they're liberal. As Tip O'Neill once said of New Hampshire "Those guys don't even like parks." They're a leave-me-alone state in Culture and politics. As your own comment mentioned, they didn't vote for the $15 minimum wage.
I'm not trying to indict you, I'm just telling you that what you said was wrong.

Biden is a liberal yes, a neoliberal to be specific. He's certainly not progressive though.

What would satisfy your definition of liberal then? They have to vote and rally for a $15/hr minimum wage? I'm not sure what you mean by the Tip O'Neill quote - don't like parks? National parks? Kids' parks? Amusment parks?

Liberalism can be defined as: "a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."

By that definition, New Hampshire, the 'live free or die' state is pretty damn liberal to my eyes.
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Bitch everyone knows NH is Vermont's redneck cousin.
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