Political Discussions for "Adults"

Trollheart · 09-30-2017, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

You've got to feel for them tbh. Some of the lads I've seen on the articles doing interviews don't even necessarily want independence, just want to have a vote, and they're being silenced, which legitimises the independence movement and the idea that they don't have freedom.

I wonder what the lads in the Basque Country are thinking?

A resurgence in support for the rebirth of ETA?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 10-01-2017, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

A resurgence in support for the rebirth of ETA?

Not sure but support for independence there must be growing seeing all this?

Mental scenes in Catalonia is anyone watching? Not sure what I was expecting, but wasn't expecting it to be as bad as that. Videos all over Twitter of people bloodied, being thrown around and hit with batons. Rubber bullets as well.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 10-01-2017, 05:33 AM

#BREAKING-#Catalan President Carles Puigdemont says "We will declare independence within 48 hours of announcing results of independence vote

Barcelona play later though might be postponed, Las Palmas are planning to wear Spanish flags on their kits, in support of Spain. They just posted a photo on their Twitter.

**Frownland** · 10-01-2017, 09:01 AM

I respect Spain's sovereignty and understand why they'd be driven to try to stop the vote, but the way they're handling it is awful. Counterintuitive too, this will only drive more people (including formerly neutral Catalonians) to support Catalonia.

~~MicShazam~~ · 10-01-2017, 10:26 AM

That mess in Spain has an uncomfortably authoritatian police state feel to it. It makes me sad to see this kind of thing happen in one of the most stable and peaceful parts of Europe. I thought we were above this kind of thing. Proof that governments are never your friend, honestly. It doesn't even matter whether the Catalan vote has constitutional backing or not, it's how the government tries to shut it down that says everything.

The Batlord · 10-01-2017, 10:44 AM

If this were any other forum on the internet the Franco jokes would be flying.

**Janszoon** · 10-01-2017, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

That mess in Spain has an uncomfortably authoritatian police state feel to it. It makes me sad to see this kind of thing happen in one of the most stable and peaceful parts of Europe. I thought we were above this kind of thing. Proof that governments are never your friend, honestly. It doesn't even matter whether the Catalan vote has constitutional backing or not, it's how the government tries to shut it down that says everything.

Yeah, who could imagine an authoritatian Spain. Oh wait, that's the Spain my family fled.

~~MicShazam~~ · 10-01-2017, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yeah, who could imagine an authoritatian Spain. Oh wait, that's the Spain my family fled.

I've been reading a book about spanish political and cultural history recently and there's no doubt that Spain has a history with authoritarianism, but still, in 2017? Really makes my heart sink.

How long time ago was it that your familily fled Spain? After WW2 or something like that?

~~MicShazam~~ · 10-01-2017, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

before being ran over in WW2 Catalonia was a pocket of pure anarchist socialism

about a 10 month period

How the **** does anarchist socialism work? Socialism requires structure, anarchism is the lack of agreed upon and enforced structures. Or am I just confused and wrong?

Chula Vista · 10-01-2017, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Or am I wrong?

Not at all.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	I respect Spain's sovereignty and understand why they'd be driven to try to stop the vote, but the way they're handling it is awful. Counterintuitive too, this will only drive more people (including formerly neutral Catalonians) to support Catalonia. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	#BREAKING-#Catalan President Carles Puigdemont says "We will declare independence within 48 hours of announcing results of independence vote Barcelona play later though might be postponed, Las Palmas are planning to wear Spanish flags on their kits, in support of Spain. They just posted a photo on their Twitter.

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~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,636	That mess in Spain has an uncomfortably authoritatian police state feel to it. It makes me sad to see this kind of thing happen in one of the most stable and peaceful parts of Europe. I thought we were above this kind of thing. Proof that governments are never your friend, honestly. It doesn't even matter whether the Catalan vote has constitutional backing or not, it's how the government tries to shut it down that says everything.