Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 09-06-2021, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Uh well have a ceasefire with who? The people blowing us up as we leave? Great gotcha moment lol.

We don't have a ceasefire with ISIS Khorasan, the group who actually did the bombing. We've even kinda sorta worked with the Taliban who are also fighting ISIS K as rivals.

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The United States and the Taliban tacitly and unofficially worked together against IS-K before the U.S.-backed Afghan government collapsed, even though the two sides were adversaries, the Washington Post reported last year. During some of the Taliban’s battles against IS-K, U.S. personnel listened to the Taliban’s radio communications and conducted anti-IS-K airstrikes in useful areas, Post reporter Wesley Morgan wrote.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...agon-says/amp/

Bro I'm gonna need a bag to hold all these gotcha moments.

~~jwb~~ · 09-06-2021, 05:45 PM

Alright fair enough you got me on that one lol but still if what you're saying is we were powerless to prevent the state from falling so quickly that still means your withdrawal and evacuation process should account for that.

So maybe the lack of air support is an inevitable result of the ceasefire but even so that helped lead to the rapid resurgence of the Taliban which, just from a surface level pov, it does not appear that we were at all prepared for.

So maybe the criticism is if you expect a rapid collapse you should prepare for a rapid evacuation and not bank on six months of time that you don't actually have?

~~jwb~~ · 09-06-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

We don't have a ceasefire with ISIS Khorasan, the group who actually did the bombing. We've even kinda sorta worked with the Taliban who are also fighting ISIS K as rivals.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...agon-says/amp/

Bro I'm gonna need a bag to hold all these gotcha moments.

I got a bag you can hold right here pal

The Batlord · 09-06-2021, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Alright fair enough you got me on that one lol but still if what you're saying is we were powerless to prevent the state from falling so quickly that still means your withdrawal and evacuation process should account for that.

So maybe the lack of air support is an inevitable result of the ceasefire but even so that helped lead to the rapid resurgence of the Taliban which, just from a surface level pov, it does not appear that we were at all prepared for.

I'd be surprised if there weren't any humanitarian or military tweaks we could have made, but how do you make plans that account for a country's immediate collapse that don't involve a time machine set to Sept. 12, 2001? It's kind of late in the game for duct tape and spit polishing.

~~jwb~~ · 09-07-2021, 09:02 AM

You think the plans you would make if you expected the country to fall tomorrow are identical to the plans you would make if you thought you had 6 months to work with?

Psy-Fi · 09-19-2021, 08:35 AM

House Democrats are scared to tax billionaires – that’s a costly mistake

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Political cowardice means those funding Joe Biden’s ambitious social policy plan want to leave the mega-rich unscathed

debaserr · 09-19-2021, 03:45 PM

Shocking. If you wanted that to happen should have put Bernie in.

Guybrush · 09-20-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by debaserr

Shocking. If you wanted that to happen should have put Bernie in.

Not taxing the mega rich is so profoundly American in the most dumbass way. It's interesting to watch. You know, however did politics in a democracy end up so misguided? Is the derp just too hard?

debaserr · 09-20-2021, 05:28 PM

Corruption and Propaganda.

Psy-Fi · 09-22-2021, 05:41 AM

18 million Americans can't afford needed medications, Gallup finds

Guess what the three Democrats blocking lower medication prices have in common?

09-19-2021, 03:45 PM	#9447 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,467	Shocking. If you wanted that to happen should have put Bernie in. __________________ Last.FM

09-20-2021, 05:28 PM	#9449 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,467	Corruption and Propaganda. __________________ Last.FM

09-06-2021, 05:45 PM	#9442 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Alright fair enough you got me on that one lol but still if what you're saying is we were powerless to prevent the state from falling so quickly that still means your withdrawal and evacuation process should account for that. So maybe the lack of air support is an inevitable result of the ceasefire but even so that helped lead to the rapid resurgence of the Taliban which, just from a surface level pov, it does not appear that we were at all prepared for. So maybe the criticism is if you expect a rapid collapse you should prepare for a rapid evacuation and not bank on six months of time that you don't actually have?

09-07-2021, 09:02 AM	#9445 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You think the plans you would make if you expected the country to fall tomorrow are identical to the plans you would make if you thought you had 6 months to work with?