Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:42 PM

That's after he already paid the realtor. It's hypothetical you ****s.

I'll be amazed if anyone actually answers this easy question that is only the set up for my actual point.

mr dave · 07-31-2019, 05:42 PM

I feel stupid (and contagious) for having read the last few pages of this mess.

The house painting example is spot on.

Wage Labourers and Independent Contractors are two very different beasts. Negotiations are a thing. They can happen even if you work a wage (provided you're working above entry level).

The value of the painter's labour (as an IC working an ad hoc job and not hired as a salaried employee) is how much they think their time and effort is worth. The subsequent sale value of the house is irrelevant to the painter unless they're only paid upon the sale of the house - which would be dumb, or maybe just happy.

**Frownland** · 07-31-2019, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

That's after he already paid the realtor. It's hypothetical you ****s.

Well I would argue for a fair cost split for all involved which would include the realtor. A nice paint job probably won't net you an extra $15k if you just drop a for sale by owner sign in your front yard when it's done.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Well I would argue for a fair cost split for all involved which would include the realtor. A nice paint job probably won't net you an extra $15k if you just drop a for sale by owner sign in your front yard when it's done.

You're missing the point. I pulled those numbers out of my ass... But the neighborhoods my dad worked, on the average a house was 300 to 500k. it's not crazy to think a good paint job (which in his case included patterned jobs on the pool deck and drive way) might bump the price up more than 2-3k, which is what he typically charged.

Let's say, by some crazy set of circumstances, the home owner gets an extra 10k when he was only charged 3k. Is that robbery?

No because he probably would've never paid 10k for a paint job. The painter is only due what the home owner will pay him.

And if the home owner is only looking to increase the value of the house, that's completely pointless if they pay the help everything that they gain in equity.

In other words they have to pay them less than they gain, otherwise what is the ****ing point?

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the question you asked was if he got robbed

I said ya, clearly

nah you've been dodging

Feel free to start anew though I'm always willing to forgive.

**Frownland** · 07-31-2019, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

You're missing the point. I pulled those numbers out of my ass... But the neighborhoods my dad worked, on the average a house was 300 to 500k. it's not crazy to think a good paint job (which in his case included patterned jobs on the pool deck and drive way) might bump the price up more than 2-3k, which is what he typically charged.

Let's say, by some crazy set of circumstances, the home owner gets an extra 10k when he was only charged 3k. Is that robbery?

No because he probably would've never paid 10k for a paint job. The painter is only due what the home owner will pay him.

And if the home owner is only looking to increase the value of the house, that's completely pointless if they pay the help everything that they gain in equity.

In other words they have to pay them less than they gain, otherwise what is the ****ing point?

They should split it

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

They should split it

even if there are other people willing to do the paint job for you 3k, they should split it just to be nice? What world do you live in lol

The Batlord · 07-31-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

You're missing the point. I pulled those numbers out of my ass... But the neighborhoods my dad worked, on the average a house was 300 to 500k. it's not crazy to think a good paint job (which in his case included patterned jobs on the pool deck and drive way) might bump the price up more than 2-3k, which is what he typically charged.

Let's say, by some crazy set of circumstances, the home owner gets an extra 10k when he was only charged 3k. Is that robbery?

No because he probably would've never paid 10k for a paint job. The painter is only due what the home owner will pay him.

And if the home owner is only looking to increase the value of the house, that's completely pointless if they pay the help everything that they gain in equity.

In other words they have to pay them less than they gain, otherwise what is the ****ing point?

I'd say whoever bought the house got robbed.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you're right and getting it!

they do have to pay less than the Value Added or there's no point

you can never get paid what your labor is actually worth in capitalism

don't condescend me, we've been arguing in the context of capitalism this entire time

Tell me what your alternative system is
In detail. Don't bitch out.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it's a weird question to ask if they should be charitable vs. was the transaction fair

(which is what you asked originally)

try to keep up. He said they should split it which I was responding to.

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07-31-2019, 05:42 PM	#2511 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	That's after he already paid the realtor. It's hypothetical you ****s. I'll be amazed if anyone actually answers this easy question that is only the set up for my actual point.