Political Discussions for "Adults"

**Frownland** · 08-12-2019, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Millions of years ago? Sure

The thing is that like I said we aren't playing by the same rules in civilized society but for that to be reflected in our actual evolution, that would have to be true for much longer than just 10,000 years.

But I think in many ways natural selection has been overridden by technology in the case of humans.

If modern behaviour thwarts traditional gender roles, how would that be different from the behaviour in the past that supported those roles in terms of being a part of our "actual evolution"?

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2019, 12:45 PM

I gotta be honest the whole 70+ genders thing seems like a bit much to me.

I think we should limit it to 5 genders. You got your m, f, mtf, ftm, and then you got what I call your "wildcards."

**Marie Monday** · 08-12-2019, 12:49 PM

I can't speak for trans people, but it always has seemed wrong to me to label mtf and ftm as separate genders. Trans people undergo a transition with the purpose of being acknowledged in every way as the gender they identify with. Wouldn't calling them 'trans men', for instance, not get in the way of that acknowledgement, as if they're not 'real' men? Why not just call them men?

**Marie Monday** · 08-12-2019, 12:52 PM

Apart from that, I think I agree with you, so I'd say 3 genders. But I consider it a subtle and complicated problem, and I haven't come to a definitive conclusion at all

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2019, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie

I can't speak for trans people, but it always has seemed wrong to me to label mtf and ftm as separate genders. Trans people undergo a transition with the purpose of being acknowledged in every way as the gender they identify with. Wouldn't calling them 'trans men', for instance, not get in the way of that acknowledgement, as if they're not 'real' men? Why not just call them men?

that's fair enough

To me there are really just 2, I was being generous with 5.

Even if you want to say you don't identify with any gender... That's not really a new gender.

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2019, 01:05 PM

Funny, you never asked me

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2019, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

as long as you recognize there's no scientific basis for this

for what, specifically?

Lucem Ferre · 08-12-2019, 02:58 PM

What about hermaphrodites?

DwnWthVwls · 08-12-2019, 03:34 PM

How is waking up one day feeling like a man and the next feeling like a woman(for those that experience it) different than waking up in a ****ty mood or amazingly happy? And why do we need to recognize this feeling as something special and separate from other human emotions?

Lucem Ferre · 08-12-2019, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

How is waking up one day feeling like a man and the next feeling like a woman(for those that experience it) different than waking up in a ****ty mood or amazingly happy? And why do we need to recognize this feeling as something special and separate from other human emotions?

We don't gotta do ****.

08-12-2019, 12:45 PM	#3032 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I gotta be honest the whole 70+ genders thing seems like a bit much to me. I think we should limit it to 5 genders. You got your m, f, mtf, ftm, and then you got what I call your "wildcards."

08-12-2019, 01:05 PM	#3036 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Funny, you never asked me