Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 07-15-2020, 08:37 AM

All workers should strike until full PPE gear and training is provided to everyone.

SGR · 07-15-2020, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it only benefits them, you're not about to sway anyone from being racist with a Good Point

You make some good points - I'm not sure how we could best tackle the issue of ISIS recruiters, but have you ever heard of this guy, Daryl Davis?

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/54486...up-their-robes

OccultHawk · 07-15-2020, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I've never gotten the fruits of my labor. I've only gotten exhaustion, body aches and stress about money from my labor.

It only gets worse.

OccultHawk · 07-15-2020, 08:42 AM

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I'm not sure how we could best tackle the issue of ISIS recruiters,

We could stop murdering their family members.

SGR · 07-15-2020, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

It almost seems like Twitter or Facebookwouldn't even work well as a concept if they weren't monopolies. Most of the appeal is that everyone is on there.

The point you're making here I think is correct - but I've read articles that claim (and I don't have the sources on hand unfortunately) that some of these social media companies start to gather a large user-base by using fake accounts (bots) to interact with the first adopters. This creates the illusion that they are already part of vibrant social media ecosystem. These bots are then engineered to follow lots of people, contributing to that dopamine cycle that social media companies are well known for. After that, the early adopters start to sing the praises of said social media platform to their friends and the cycle continues - before you know it, "everyone" is now on another platform.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

We could stop murdering their family members.

I agree with you 100%. The Iraq War was a war-crime. Obama's drone-warfare campaign was brutal, and despite all of Trump's bluster, he hasn't changed a damn thing and our troops are still over there in the middle east, protecting foreign oil and opium fields.

Lucem Ferre · 07-15-2020, 08:44 AM

You mean America take responsibility for it's involvement in radicalizing the middle east?

America doesn't even want to take responsibility for what's happening here.

SGR · 07-15-2020, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

You mean America take responsibility for it's involvement in radicalizing the middle east?

America doesn't even want to take responsibility for what's happening here.

The ironic part is that America fell for the same trap that they (America) laid out for the Soviets in the late '70s. We trained Osama Bin Laden and worked with him and the Mujahideen as a bulwark to the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan, in an effort to get them involved in a quagmire similar to America's venture in Vietnam. This trap, for all intents and purposes, worked. The Soviets wasted boatloads of money (in a period of economic stagnation for them) and the Afghan population grew to resent them.

Osama Bin Laden used this same strategy to provoke America into coming into the middle east and with the same basic strategy (prolonged guerilla warfare), they were able to drain America's wallet and show just how easily a "modern military" could be stopped.

OccultHawk · 07-15-2020, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

The ironic part is that America fell for the same trap that they (America) laid out for the Soviets in the late '70s. We trained Osama Bin Laden and worked with him and the Mujahideen as a bulwark to the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan, in an effort to get them involved in a quagmire similar to America's venture in Vietnam. This trap, for all intents and purposes, worked.

Osama Bin Laden used this same strategy to provoke America into coming into the middle east and with the same basic strategy (prolonged guerilla warfare), they were able to drain America's wallet and show just how easily a "modern military" could be stopped.

Good post

**Frownland** · 07-15-2020, 08:51 AM

Saying that so-called cancel culture is an issue of open discussion or free speech misses the root cause of the issue. Our culture is so consumerist (to put it more specifically than capitalism) that people build identities around brands and while corporations try to build these identities when they can, it's a two way street. So they take notes on what people are saying to better feed into their clientele's identity and boost sales.

The type of criticism that people associate with cancel culture (which is noting biases, mainly) has always existed, but social media has given it a global platform. In the past, most business's only awareness of this pocket of public opinion was in the form of letters from people passionate enough to write in with their opinion (which funnels out most people off the bat), and was largely ignored unless it contained the word lawsuit. Censoring opinions typically came from religious groups because they had a reliable ideological base to mobilize. From the perspective of longstanding businesses, the criticism coming in on these new platforms is a massive influx of bad news or criticism despite it being an uninfluential segment of what people think of the brand, which sparks the damage control that is then viewed as censorship.

Consumerist concepts have bled into most elements of Western life. It's impacted the "marketplace of ideas", such as the customer is always right philosophy extending to how people form their opinions: that they're always right. Similarly, supply and demand is integrated into our behaviour so deeply that when corporations supply the product of "cancelling" someone for a minor offense, it sparks the explicit demand for cancellation where they may have more constructively criticized in the past. Cancel culture is a corporate product that sells too well to stop stocking.

Similar to what I mentioned earlier, cancel culture has evolved into Kanye-eque PR. Many outlandish "cancellations" from those wacky wacky leftists on twitter are just attempts to get celebrities discussed no matter what it takes leading up to the release of their book/album/Netflix special.

tl;dr burn down Toys r Us and force feed corporate elites with a tube like foie gras.

Lucem Ferre · 07-15-2020, 08:55 AM

I wouldn't even say it's a real thing because look at how many times Kanye has been "canceled".

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Saying that so-called cancel culture is an issue of open discussion or free speech misses the root cause of the issue. Our culture is so consumerist (to put it more specifically than capitalism) that people build identities around brands and while corporations try to build these identities when they can, it's a two way street. So they take notes on what people are saying to better feed into their clientele's identity and boost sales. The type of criticism that people associate with cancel culture (which is noting biases, mainly) has always existed, but social media has given it a global platform. In the past, most business's only awareness of this pocket of public opinion was in the form of letters from people passionate enough to write in with their opinion (which funnels out most people off the bat), and was largely ignored unless it contained the word lawsuit. Censoring opinions typically came from religious groups because they had a reliable ideological base to mobilize. From the perspective of longstanding businesses, the criticism coming in on these new platforms is a massive influx of bad news or criticism despite it being an uninfluential segment of what people think of the brand, which sparks the damage control that is then viewed as censorship. Consumerist concepts have bled into most elements of Western life. It's impacted the "marketplace of ideas", such as the customer is always right philosophy extending to how people form their opinions: that they're always right. Similarly, supply and demand is integrated into our behaviour so deeply that when corporations supply the product of "cancelling" someone for a minor offense, it sparks the explicit demand for cancellation where they may have more constructively criticized in the past. Cancel culture is a corporate product that sells too well to stop stocking. Similar to what I mentioned earlier, cancel culture has evolved into Kanye-eque PR. Many outlandish "cancellations" from those wacky wacky leftists on twitter are just attempts to get celebrities discussed no matter what it takes leading up to the release of their book/album/Netflix special. tl;dr burn down Toys r Us and force feed corporate elites with a tube like foie gras. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x