Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 07-14-2020, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Lol. Merrick Garland is anti-whistleblower and is pro-government on cases involving any kind of prosecution. Mitch would have nominated the guy himself in a timeline where Obama didn't.

I don’t disagree but the partisan blocking of the pick was a major stepping stone toward the lockstep republican alignment with Trump no matter how bizarre and dangerous he became. Norms that protected us fell apart after that. I mean, now we’re in a place where ****ing Jeff Sessions wasn’t far enough to the right, if that’s even what trumpism is. Tuberville went to Southern Arkansas University in the early 70’s. Back then you probably needed an IQ below 80 to get into that school. And I don’t care if people can’t see how I connect these dots but Trump’s murderous approach to covid and DeSantis sucking his ding dong nonstop has turned Florida from a very bad place to a complete covid saturated hell. It’s this worship the party leader at any cost mentality - 140,000 covid deaths. We’ve become one of the most insane and unlivable countries on earth because of it and we’re taking the rest of the world down too with our environmental policies, virulent capitalism, and uncontainable disease. Not to mention nuclear war is a bigger threat now than it was during the Cold War. No one thinks it’s possible but it totally ****ing is.

OccultHawk · 07-15-2020, 04:15 AM

economic justice > free speech

OccultHawk · 07-15-2020, 07:14 AM

When you ask yourself what it take eliminate capitalism and is it worth it whatever it takes has to be weighed against where capitalism is taking us.

No one knows the future but after a certain amount of time even approaches that sound really good but have forever failed, and this includes my own ideas too, should probably be abandoned.

I don’t really know.

~~jwb~~ · 07-15-2020, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I feel like he's coming at the issue with the memory of any socialist leaning professional being truly "cancelled" in his time

and is not up to date with the latest and greatest fascist Trojan horses

I dunno though, it's interesting

he has a quote that says either you support free speech for the views you despise or you don't support free speech. He also defended a Holocaust denier in France - not his views but the fact that France was prosecuting him for them.

~~jwb~~ · 07-15-2020, 07:51 AM

I get that it's different but in this day and age those internet platforms are more capable at silencing you than the government ever has been. It's funny how we all realize how outdated the 2nd amendment is but not the 1st. The way we communicate has changed far more than guns have.

But the letter in question wasn't about government censorship and it also wasn't just about protecting people with the "right" opinions. So I'm just saying I'm sure the cold war era of persecution does inform his views but that's certainly not all he has in mind.

~~jwb~~ · 07-15-2020, 08:15 AM

I agree though I don't know what could be done about it.

It almost seems like Twitter or Facebookwouldn't even work well as a concept if they weren't monopolies. Most of the appeal is that everyone is on there.

Mindfulness · 07-15-2020, 08:16 AM

SGR · 07-15-2020, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

"Because some people are in a tough spot."

**** off.

Everybody I know is in a tough spot.

Downplaying poverty like a capitalist simp.

No matter what there will always be many many many many many many people forced to work **** jobs they hate or they starve in this system.

And yes, not only should people be paid a fair living wage but the safety net should be increased when we have a lack of jobs going around. The idea of people going with out because there isn't enough work that needs to be done is ludicrous.

You take issue with the word 'some'? I used that because I don't know the amount of people in poverty - it's not used in a way to refer to a 'minority' in an effort downlplay it, but rather an 'unkown' amount (because I don't know the number, and because I know it's not all). Would it reflect your reality better if I used the word 'many'? I have no problems using that word instead.

While everybody you know is a tough spot, not everyone I know is. The tendency in my own personal life is that younger people are in a tougher position. Friends of mine that paid tens of thousands for a degree in college are now either working menial minimum wage jobs or are on some form of government benefits program, while the interest on their loans keeps accruing, like a ball and chain that keeps getting heavier - this will probably affect their economic mobility for the rest of their lives. The system has not worked for them and I fully acknowledge that. I'm more interested in the 'why' and the 'how do we fix it' questions.

I'm not some shill for capitalism, we have a mixed-model economy in the US, and I believe we are better off as a whole for that. I'm happy that I can retain most of the fruits of my labor but if something goes wrong in my life, I have some options that can help me. How do we make that system better and how do we make it work for more people?

I'm very open to the idea of some kind of UBI, especially with the coming automation of many sectors of jobs. Though I didn't agree with everything Andrew Yang said, I think he brought very important ideas to the public discussion. I think it would be fair for all of us to benefit from the wealth of our society's technological innovation rather than the profits going solely into the coffers of those companies that replace peoples' jobs with machines.

Lucem Ferre · 07-15-2020, 08:36 AM

I've never gotten the fruits of my labor. I've only gotten exhaustion, body aches and stress about money from my labor.

rostasi · 07-15-2020, 08:36 AM

Chuck Woolery is “naturally stoned.”

07-15-2020, 04:15 AM	#6732 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	economic justice > free speech __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

07-15-2020, 07:14 AM	#6733 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	When you ask yourself what it take eliminate capitalism and is it worth it whatever it takes has to be weighed against where capitalism is taking us. No one knows the future but after a certain amount of time even approaches that sound really good but have forever failed, and this includes my own ideas too, should probably be abandoned. I don’t really know. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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07-15-2020, 07:51 AM	#6735 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I get that it's different but in this day and age those internet platforms are more capable at silencing you than the government ever has been. It's funny how we all realize how outdated the 2nd amendment is but not the 1st. The way we communicate has changed far more than guns have. But the letter in question wasn't about government censorship and it also wasn't just about protecting people with the "right" opinions. So I'm just saying I'm sure the cold war era of persecution does inform his views but that's certainly not all he has in mind.

07-15-2020, 08:15 AM	#6736 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I agree though I don't know what could be done about it. It almost seems like Twitter or Facebookwouldn't even work well as a concept if they weren't monopolies. Most of the appeal is that everyone is on there.

07-15-2020, 08:36 AM	#6740 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	Chuck Woolery is “naturally stoned.”