Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 07-28-2020, 05:01 PM

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I also think it would be important symbolically to have someone like Sanders as president

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The Batlord · 07-28-2020, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

A carefully thought planned AI dictatorship is something I really think I could get behind.

I’ve heard lots of stories about dystopian about AI going wrong but if we got ahead of it with the humility that we obviously can’t manage ourselves it really could be our best hope.

Yeah it's a hell of a gamble and a longshot that humans would ever give up their vaunted "freedom" to an AI but the alternative is for humans to keep running the world and who wants that?

**Frownland** · 07-28-2020, 05:20 PM

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But assuming you're a registered Democrat, and you participated in the primary, I have to wonder why you wouldn't support the party in the general?

What was the reason you participated in the primary? Presumably one issue. Do you not think that issue is advanced in a Biden administration? I really think people are undervaluing Congressional control, and way way way over valuing the Presidency.

Why do people think the White House means a damn thing after Obama? Why do people assume Bernie would have done anything in the White House?

Do you actually want to know or are you just copypasting a gotcha reddit post you saw?

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

A carefully thought planned AI dictatorship is something I really think I could get behind.

I’ve heard lots of stories about dystopian about AI going wrong but if we got ahead of it with the humility that we obviously can’t manage ourselves it really could be our best hope.

Totally, but I think that the bolded won't be overcome in our lifetimes.

TheBig3 · 07-28-2020, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I never vote. Last time I voted was 2008 for Obama when I had just come of age. I made the exception this time for Bernie because I thought it was exciting that the Democrats were offering up a type of candidate I would've previously considered far fetched.

I don't exactly know what this even means

tbh I had little faith he would ever get his agenda through but it was worth trying both from the vantage point of strategy and curiosity. I mean Biden might throw some crumbs here and there but nothing that I can get excited about. Nothing that the democratic establishment doesn't always run on. Part of the entire appeal of Bernie to me was the ongoing attempt to change/shift the democratic party. I agree Congress is undervalued and I also voted for the progressive candidate in the primaries fora position in Congress here but she lost. I do think it's worthwhile to challenge moderate incumbents in congressional races. I also think it would be important symbolically to have someone like Sanders as president, even assuming he can't accomplish the bulk of his agenda.

1. Why do you need to be excited? Do you want the candidate to jerk you off while they're at it?
2. Haven't we had enough symbolism? Can't we have some substance once in a while?

As I've said here before, Biden is the first candidate in a long time that no one believes is going to "save us" and I think that's amazing.

rostasi · 07-28-2020, 05:45 PM

Not the 'Heals Act' But the 'Heels Act'

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 05:45 PM

I'm fine with the robots taking over but I wouldn't necessarily count on humans having a place in such a society.

We could very likely be as irrelevant to their society as chimps are to ours.

The Batlord · 07-28-2020, 05:49 PM

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I'm fine with the robots taking over but I wouldn't necessarily count on humans having a place in such a society.

We could very likely be as irrelevant to their society as chimps are to ours.

Are you're assuming they'd have an intelligence comparable to ours with our self-interest and our communal nature that leads us to band together to exploit those not in our band?

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 05:51 PM

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1. Why do you need to be excited? Do you want the candidate to jerk you off while they're at it?

wouldn't object.

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2. Haven't we had enough symbolism? Can't we have some substance once in a while?

Huh. I wonder if you said the same thing to women who were excited about the prospect of a woman president.

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As I've said here before, Biden is the first candidate in a long time that no one believes is going to "save us" and I think that's amazing.

... Why do you need to be amazed? Do you want him to grope your wife while we're at it?

In all seriousness the fact that you're inspired by the fact we settled on a candidate nobody is particular impressed by sounds like a take you jacked straight from Ezra Klein.

OccultHawk · 07-28-2020, 05:53 PM

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I'm fine with the robots taking over but I wouldn't necessarily count on humans having a place in such a society.

We could very likely be as irrelevant to their society as chimps are to ours.

That’s we gotta plan ahead carefully and program them to feel a certain way.

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 05:55 PM

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Are you're assuming they'd have an intelligence comparable to ours with our self-interest and our communal nature that leads us to band together to exploit those not in our band?

I'm assuming we're talking about AGI which means they would exceed us in every domain of intelligence.

But I can see any form of intelligence forming a type of self interest even if it doesn't necessarily have consciousness.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I'm fine with the robots taking over but I wouldn't necessarily count on humans having a place in such a society. We could very likely be as irrelevant to their society as chimps are to ours.