Jordan Peterson - Get a damn hoover, ey.

**Frownland** · 01-28-2018, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

I think he's just a neurochemistry nerd who gets excited to find examples of, as he put it, self evident evolution.

Nah, his self-help style is very consistent no matter what the topic.

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He said social hierarchies are "older than trees," which is true. I can't think of one culture, living or dead, that don't/didn't operate under basic tribalistic mechanisms. If it's less convoluted to compare ourselves to another prosocial animal, bonobos are thoroughly matriarchal.

You could say the Quakers but that was very short-lived and had to plug into surrounding society to survive. Were early hunter-gatherers considered hierarchical? Certainly tribal in some elements.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

What’s the point of discussing something with someone who’s starting with the premise that there are things in the universe that aren’t natural?

I'll discuss anything with anyone, Mr. Strawman.

Mindfulness · 01-28-2018, 11:41 AM

hola amigos, no sé de lo que ustedes están hablando, lo siento.

or tying to not care :/

**Frownland** · 01-28-2018, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

was reading this interesting study the other day

testosterone can also promote strategic submissiveness, depends on environment

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05603-7

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28706184

Just in case anyone dismisses elph's because it came from a nature.com like I initially did.

Anyway, that doesn't really go against what I said since I made sure to focus on social dominance. The behaviours associated with social dominance are clearly things that can fluctuate from a matriarchal to a patriarchal culture.

OccultHawk · 01-28-2018, 11:43 AM

It’s not a straw man argument to point out a thesis is flawed to its core.

WWWP · 01-28-2018, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You could say the Quakers but that was very short-lived and had to plug into surrounding society to survive. Were early hunter-gatherers considered hierarchical? Certainly tribal in some elements.

Right, h/g's were certainly tribal, and don't quote me on this because I'm paraphrasing, but if im remembering correctly the more familiar social heirarchies involving power and class structures evolved once we took up agriculture and became less nomadic.

**Frownland** · 01-28-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It’s not a straw man argument to point out a thesis is flawed to its core.

It is when you pose unnaturalness as the only alternative to biology.

**Frownland** · 01-28-2018, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

Right, h/g's were certainly tribal, and don't quote me on this because I'm paraphrasing, but if im remembering correctly the more familiar social heirarchies involving power and class structures evolved once we took up agriculture and became less nomadic.

That was my understanding as well, I was just trying to think of an example of a homoarchy.

WWWP · 01-28-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness

hola amigos, no sé de lo que ustedes están hablando, lo siento.

or tying to not care :/

lol I live for these discussions. i got degrees in religious studies, philosophy, humanities, human development, and social & behavioral sciences. they said liberal arts would never take me anywhere, but here I am spending my Sunday morning making lazy arguments on the internet so

OccultHawk · 01-28-2018, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It is when you pose unnaturalness as the only alternative to biology.

If we’re talking about human behavior it is all biology.

All.

**Frownland** · 01-28-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

If we’re talking about human behavior it is all biology.

All.

It is a ubiquitous component in all human behaviour, but it's obtuse to think that it's the only thing that can be at play.

So is it good **** btw?

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