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Old 01-28-2018, 07:39 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Not even kidding most would consider that to be far right wing near race realism. I'm not sayingI disagree, just surprised to see that opinion.
Science isn’t political.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:25 AM   #122 (permalink)
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And race isn't biological lol
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:49 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Scientists and governments have political agendas but if the findings withstand scrutiny it doesn’t matter if they make us uncomfortable.

Since the assumption that there cannot be any racial predisposition toward behavior or intelligence is so taboo to challenge the hypothesis remains essentially untested.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:50 AM   #124 (permalink)
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I think we’re on the same page but let me see if you agree with this distinction:

Our understanding of cultural relativism IS biological wiring. Our understanding of anything is biological wiring. Understanding itself is biological wiring.
Too reductionist for my taste.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:54 AM   #125 (permalink)
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Too reductionist for my taste.
What it boils down to is you either understand consciousness is chemical or you don’t.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:57 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Would be a good point if social influence wasn't such a big part of this discussion.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:07 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Would be a good point if social influence wasn't such a big part of this discussion.
Social influence does not exist outside of biology. So biology influences biology.

Once you start talking about social influence as if it’s non-biological you’re off in the mystic again.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:13 AM   #128 (permalink)
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I don't disagree with that, but it's still far too reductionist imo because you're stripping away myriad relevant factors.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:26 AM   #129 (permalink)
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I don't disagree with that, but it's still far too reductionist imo because you're stripping away myriad relevant factors.
I’m taking the woo out of it so it can be discussed correctly.
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I’m taking the woo out of it so it can be discussed correctly.
Alright say that I was fine with your reductionist take of social influence. What is the point that needs to be discussed now and how is it a better discussion than, say, finding the source and justification of one social influence?
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