Catalonia

The Batlord · 10-28-2017, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Catalonia was never a colony though

it's been part of Spain since the 15th century through a marriage contract

If a group wants independence then preventing that still equates to imperialism afaic.

Trollheart · 10-28-2017, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

And no, tyranny is not synonymous with fascism. Fascism is a specific political system with policies that can be kind of nebulous at times due to its half-baked nature, but it's still not just another word for a dictatorship.

OK, good to know. Still, as Mr. Mackey would say, it's bad, mkay?

The Batlord · 10-28-2017, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

fascism is an extreme conservative authoritarian ultra-nationalist ideology which is why you hear it a lot from the left in response to Trump

Yes. It is the ultimate reaction against revolutionary (in the leftist sense) change, that deifies the prelapsarian ideal of the respective country and demonizes anything that would threaten that pseudo-religious ideal. Much like American conservatives harp on about the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, and the City upon a Hill that America supposedly was at some point or another before the socialists ruined everything. Except even more so, and demands complete subservience to that ideal because it is so fragile, though the fascists would deny that it is so.

The Batlord · 10-28-2017, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

that's eerily spot on you fascist worshiper

I feel like a class on definitions of political terms is much needed on the music bants

1. I used to be a reactionary libertarian, and many modern libertarians are the exact people who would have bought into fascism in the 30s and 40s. So I have some insight into the mentality.

>_>

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2. I like to read about Nazis and fascism cause god damn are they interesting freaks.

Trollheart · 10-28-2017, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

that's eerily spot on you fascist worshiper

I feel like a class on definitions of political terms is much needed on the music bants

It isn't. I don't care. I just didn't want to be using the word in the wrong context, that's all.

#FREEDOM FOR CALIFORNIA!!!

**Goofle** · 10-28-2017, 07:09 PM

Libertarian ideals are basically the opposite of all practiced fascist regimes.

The Batlord · 10-28-2017, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Libertarian ideals are basically the opposite of all practiced fascist regimes.

Ideals? Yes. Actual libertarians? No. In theory libertarians are about personal freedom, but the practitioners are generally about national pride through economic success, care little about social issues of personal freedom that libertarians should invariably care about in the face of economics, and inevitably show their socially conservative colors when discussing those issues (such as your issues with women). They also tend to be prone to the same anti-socialist conspiracy theories as fascists, even if they're not necessarily as paranoid, while showing much of the same vehemence against those conspiracies (OMG tell me you've never given a **** about cultural Marxism). I'm sure I could go on if I really felt like it.

**Goofle** · 10-28-2017, 07:55 PM

So basically you dislike some of what has been said by people proclaiming to be Libertarians despite them not being Libertarians? Nifty. I’ll just call myself a National Socialist and extol the virtues of Jewish people.

And I don’t have issues with women (though I obviously have some objections to feminism, which =/= women), I just happen to be in favour of equal treatment for men where that doesn’t exist. As I’m in favour of equal treatment for women where that doesn’t exist.

The Batlord · 10-28-2017, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

So basically you dislike some of what has been said by people proclaiming to be Libertarians despite them not being Libertarians? Nifty. I’ll just call myself a National Socialist and extol the virtues of Jewish people.

And I don’t have issues with women (though I obviously have some objections to feminism, which =/= women), I just happen to be in favour of equal treatment for men where that doesn’t exist. As I’m in favour of equal treatment for women where that doesn’t exist.

Nah, I've known libertarians, known the rhetoric, known the ideal espoused by modern libertarians, and you people could have been the Hitler Youth easy. Or at least the hardcore, longterm libertarians. Plenty of people are just in it for a spell and then out.

The Batlord · 10-28-2017, 08:19 PM

And honestly when I say that libertarians could have been the Hitler Youth I don't mean that they're necessarily Jew killers, but that they have an affinity for nationalism that would have made them easy pickings for the Nazis, especially as children. Maybe that doesn't make you any happier, but... meh.