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Old 10-28-2017, 05:31 PM   #31 (permalink)
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that's eerily spot on you fascist worshiper

I feel like a class on definitions of political terms is much needed on the music bants
It isn't. I don't care. I just didn't want to be using the word in the wrong context, that's all.

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Old 10-28-2017, 07:09 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Libertarian ideals are basically the opposite of all practiced fascist regimes.
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Old 10-28-2017, 07:24 PM   #33 (permalink)
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that's absolutely true but libertarianism is not conservatism it's not even right wing except for when it's used with a capitol L in the US (primarily) to refer to a subset of the right
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Old 10-28-2017, 07:28 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Ideals? Yes. Actual libertarians? No. In theory libertarians are about personal freedom, but the practitioners are generally about national pride through economic success, care little about social issues of personal freedom that libertarians should invariably care about in the face of economics, and inevitably show their socially conservative colors when discussing those issues (such as your issues with women). They also tend to be prone to the same anti-socialist conspiracy theories as fascists, even if they're not necessarily as paranoid, while showing much of the same vehemence against those conspiracies (OMG tell me you've never given a **** about cultural Marxism). I'm sure I could go on if I really felt like it.
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So basically you dislike some of what has been said by people proclaiming to be Libertarians despite them not being Libertarians? Nifty. I’ll just call myself a National Socialist and extol the virtues of Jewish people.

And I don’t have issues with women (though I obviously have some objections to feminism, which =/= women), I just happen to be in favour of equal treatment for men where that doesn’t exist. As I’m in favour of equal treatment for women where that doesn’t exist.
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So basically you dislike some of what has been said by people proclaiming to be Libertarians despite them not being Libertarians? Nifty. I’ll just call myself a National Socialist and extol the virtues of Jewish people.

And I don’t have issues with women (though I obviously have some objections to feminism, which =/= women), I just happen to be in favour of equal treatment for men where that doesn’t exist. As I’m in favour of equal treatment for women where that doesn’t exist.
Nah, I've known libertarians, known the rhetoric, known the ideal espoused by modern libertarians, and you people could have been the Hitler Youth easy. Or at least the hardcore, longterm libertarians. Plenty of people are just in it for a spell and then out.
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And honestly when I say that libertarians could have been the Hitler Youth I don't mean that they're necessarily Jew killers, but that they have an affinity for nationalism that would have made them easy pickings for the Nazis, especially as children. Maybe that doesn't make you any happier, but... meh.
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Ideals? Yes. Actual libertarians? No. In theory libertarians are about personal freedom, but the practitioners are generally about national pride through economic success, care little about social issues of personal freedom that libertarians should invariably care about in the face of economics, and inevitably show their socially conservative colors when discussing those issues (such as your issues with women). They also tend to be prone to the same anti-socialist conspiracy theories as fascists, even if they're not necessarily as paranoid, while showing much of the same vehemence against those conspiracies (OMG tell me you've never given a **** about cultural Marxism). I'm sure I could go on if I really felt like it.
this isn't necessarily true for all right leaning libertarians but it pretty much hits the mark as far as Goofle is concerned

I mean for example on an issue like borders the true libertarian position is not the one he takes instead he defends nationalism
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There are different views on borders/nation states within the Libertarian movement but there’s certainly nothing within the ideology that supports your claim. You’re just doing what I said in my first response.

I do agree with you that many self-identifying Conservative Libertarians have quite hardline Nationalist/closed border sentiments though. Or even some Anarcho-Capitalists, but I think that’s when looking at the current situation. They would argue that if you removed state welfare programs there would be no need for borders.

Edit: See the last sentence as my stance in response to elph’s post.
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this isn't necessarily true for all right leaning libertarians but it pretty much hits the mark as far as Goofle is concerned

I mean for example on an issue like borders the true libertarian position is not the one he takes instead he defends nationalism
True libertarianism is a great thing as far as social issues are concerned, even if I don't agree with their economic views, but a large percentage of people who identify as libertarians or who espouse many of the same views would have either supported Hitler or said nothing against him in the 30s and 40s had they been raised in that time period. But a large percentage of humanity in general would have said nothing against him in public anyway, so take that as you will.

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There are different views on borders/nation states within the Libertarian movement but there’s certainly nothing within the ideology that supports your claim. You’re just doing what I said in my first response.

I do agree with you that many self-identifying Conservative Libertarians have quite hardline Nationalist/closed border sentiments though. Or even some Anarcho-Capitalists, but I think that’s when looking at the current situation. They would argue that if you removed state welfare programs there would be no need for borders.
I'm definitely saying that it's an issue with many MODERN libertarians and conservatives, and not an issue with libertarianism specifically as an ideology. I mean the 4Chan libertarians, Gamer Gaters, and the /r/thedonald types are straight up Hitler Youth out of time, but modern libertarianism as practiced by a sad number of individuals is most definitely fascist prone.
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