Goofle

There are different views on borders/nation states within the Libertarian movement but there’s certainly nothing within the ideology that supports your claim. You’re just doing what I said in my first response.

I do agree with you that many self-identifying Conservative Libertarians have quite hardline Nationalist/closed border sentiments though. Or even some Anarcho-Capitalists, but I think that’s when looking at the current situation. They would argue that if you removed state welfare programs there would be no need for borders.

Edit: See the last sentence as my stance in response to elph’s post.

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The Batlord

True libertarianism is a great thing as far as social issues are concerned, even if I don't agree with their economic views, but a large percentage of people who identify as libertarians or who espouse many of the same views would have either supported Hitler or said nothing against him in the 30s and 40s had they been raised in that time period. But a large percentage of humanity in general would have said nothing against him in public anyway, so take that as you will.

I'm definitely saying that it's an issue with many MODERN libertarians and conservatives, and not an issue with libertarianism specifically as an ideology. I mean the 4Chan libertarians, Gamer Gaters, and the /r/thedonald types are straight up Hitler Youth out of time, but modern libertarianism as practiced by a sad number of individuals is most definitely fascist prone.

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The Batlord

Sounds vague enough to be utterly useless and potentially inoffensive to any of their followers. So politics.

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Goofle

As I said, there's a split in the Libertarian party regarding things like immigration and borders, but I think it basically comes down to what to advocate for in the current climate. In a stateless society (imagine it works out the way we would hope) then it doesn't really matter if the borders are open because you can't just come over and get a cheque and housing.

And I've been in the process of learning about this stuff so it makes sense that my older posts could come across a bit muddled and stupid because they probably were. But I think I'm getting quite close to grasping it, and becoming more swayed by the arguments.

Heck, I even refused to sign a petition that is attempting to get the hourly rate of my job raised to £15 p/h. AnCap/10.

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The Batlord

For half a second I felt hopeful for Goofle. Not even lying I did.

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grindy

Spain isn't handling it particularly well, but no, nothing especialy fascist here.
No country in the whole world would let a big chunk of itself separate easily. Especially such an economically important chunk.
Plus it's not even clear whether a majority of Catalans want so separate since the people who oppose this don't bother to vote.
Plus the plans of the separatists are vague and dumb and would most likely **** over the whole region.

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Cuthbert

Backing Spain atm.

Can't be having regions breaking off and declaring independence without a legal referendum, 42% voter turnout.

I support the Catalans right to a referendum though.

rubber soul

Interesting. If the majority of people who opposed independence from Spain didn't bother to vote, then I guess they learned a hard lesson about what happens if you don't vote.

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Cuthbert

Was a Catalonia vote mate only Catalans could vote, same as the Scottish referendum. If it was the whole of Spain it would have been a No.

Cuthbert

Doesn't matter just read it again, independence from Spain, not 'from Spain', nm