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Old 10-28-2017, 09:56 PM   #41 (permalink)
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that's fair if that's the position you're now using to justify taking a conservative position over a libertarian one

it isnt the position you've given before and it's a bit like if I said I'd be for removing taxes if income was equal for everyone

super libertarian eh?
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Old 10-28-2017, 10:35 PM   #42 (permalink)
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the official stance on immigration from the NA Libertarian Party btw

"Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property."
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Old 10-28-2017, 10:38 PM   #43 (permalink)
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the official stance on immigration from the NA Libertarian Party btw

"Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property."
Sounds vague enough to be utterly useless and potentially inoffensive to any of their followers. So politics.
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where they compare themselves to Trump

"Mr. Trump advocates building a wall along our Southern border and has said disparaging things about immigrants. Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel peacefully across borders to work, trade, or live."
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Old 10-28-2017, 11:26 PM   #45 (permalink)
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As I said, there's a split in the Libertarian party regarding things like immigration and borders, but I think it basically comes down to what to advocate for in the current climate. In a stateless society (imagine it works out the way we would hope) then it doesn't really matter if the borders are open because you can't just come over and get a cheque and housing.

And I've been in the process of learning about this stuff so it makes sense that my older posts could come across a bit muddled and stupid because they probably were. But I think I'm getting quite close to grasping it, and becoming more swayed by the arguments.

Heck, I even refused to sign a petition that is attempting to get the hourly rate of my job raised to £15 p/h. AnCap/10.
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Old 10-28-2017, 11:39 PM   #46 (permalink)
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As I said, there's a split in the Libertarian party regarding things like immigration and borders, but I think it basically comes down to what to advocate for in the current climate. In a stateless society (imagine it works out the way we would hope) then it doesn't really matter if the borders are open because you can't just come over and get a cheque and housing.

And I've been in the process of learning about this stuff so it makes sense that my older posts could come across a bit muddled and stupid because they probably were. But I think I'm getting quite close to grasping it, and becoming more swayed by the arguments.

Heck, I even refused to sign a petition that is attempting to get the hourly rate of my job raised to £15 p/h. AnCap/10.
For half a second I felt hopeful for Goofle. Not even lying I did.
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You have to wonder. The pure fascism (that is right, isn't it? If they're imposing their rule over a region of the country that clearly wants independence, it's fascism?) of the Spanish government is going to plunge the whole country into civil war. Why not just work it out with the Catalans? Smacks of Putinism to me.
Spain isn't handling it particularly well, but no, nothing especialy fascist here.
No country in the whole world would let a big chunk of itself separate easily. Especially such an economically important chunk.
Plus it's not even clear whether a majority of Catalans want so separate since the people who oppose this don't bother to vote.
Plus the plans of the separatists are vague and dumb and would most likely **** over the whole region.
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:47 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Backing Spain atm.

Can't be having regions breaking off and declaring independence without a legal referendum, 42% voter turnout.

I support the Catalans right to a referendum though.
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Old 10-29-2017, 07:03 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Interesting. If the majority of people who opposed independence from Spain didn't bother to vote, then I guess they learned a hard lesson about what happens if you don't vote.
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Interesting. If the majority of people who opposed independence from Spain didn't bother to vote, then I guess they learned a hard lesson about what happens if you don't vote.
Was a Catalonia vote mate only Catalans could vote, same as the Scottish referendum. If it was the whole of Spain it would have been a No.
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