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Old 12-05-2017, 04:18 PM   #111 (permalink)
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yes, that china. The one that tried to revert to communal farming under the impression that they were revolutionaries, ended up starving 30 million people to death, and then decided to engage in international trade after all in order to survive, while maintaining their autocratic police state. That's the one.
this was done to rapidly industrialize as China was rightly terrified of being raped and pillaged by imperialists again

not exactly for the communal aspect
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:23 PM   #112 (permalink)
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The Soviet Union was communist. You guys are just going to have to get over that one.
we can argue about definitions and it's not tremendously important

but in terms of say Marxist communism

no it literally wasn't
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yes, that china. The one that tried to revert to communal farming under the impression that they were revolutionaries, ended up starving 30 million people to death, and then decided to engage in international trade after all in order to survive, while maintaining their autocratic police state. That's the one.
Yup, and no one's saying that international trade is the issue, so what's your point, and how does it relate to a society with less inequality and making the wealthy pay their fair share?
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So if the govt offers you a deduction...
Using a deduction isn't the same as using your money to corrupt the political system and take trillions of dollars from programs that people in need rely on. That's theft, no matter how Alex Jones and Sean Hannity have taught you to spin it.

Loopholes need to be closed, but corporate apologists like you make that borderline impossible to do effectively because you refuse to stand up for your own rights. You argue on behalf of their bottom lines that do nothing for you, and it's usually out of misplaced anger and fear of what's unknown to you.

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I believe it was. The state acted as one collective organism. Individualism vanished.

I haven't read much of Marx, but I've read the communist manifesto. And the "dictatorship of the proles" vision that he had essentially manifested itself in 1918.
I don't think you comprehend it

for starters it's a stateless ideology

nothing about eliminating individualism that's standard propaganda
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If a government continuously refuses to take care of it's people, the people will take care of themselves by any means necessary. Crime will continue to grow, and the poor people on the bottom will continue to be angry at a society that wants to use them, but doesn't want to provide them with a dignified way of life with really basic things like healthcare and quality education because they already sold the future to big businesses.
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You guys should read/listen to the Gulag Archipelago. Communism fell out of fashion in the west for a good reason.
No offense but I doubt you know Solzhenitsyn‘s work better than I do.
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Or Tolstoy quite frankly
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Is Tolstoy a phantom? I thought they assassinated him in Mexico or something. (Oh, wait, that was Trotsky )
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