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Old 11-28-2018, 10:51 PM   #561 (permalink)
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Lots of countries have implemented UBI on some scale and have seen great success with the program.

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who the **** is going to live on 1k a month

why not take that money and put it into infrastructure and create jobs that pay enough to live off of

or pay for college for everyone

or do a 100 other more useful things than write a check that goes to a lot of people don't actually need it
So under this model, you're not allowed to work and gain money on top of your basic income?

Because that's f*cked up. But I'm pretty sure that no one is saying that.

I'm for UBI, as long as we change the monetary system and take control away from the central banks and let the government issuing the UBI print debt-free currency.

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but on the topic of fossil fuels

moving off of them into green energy is again something that should be prioritized over this form of UBI
I agree that weening off of fossil fuels is more important in the long run, but who says that we can't do both?

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this could be accomplished by having the gov mandate you a higher pay
I like the idea of being paid more money, who doesn't? But paying burger flippers and fry cooks $15/hour will double the price of the food. It already costs me almost $10 USD to eat at McDonalds. I refuse to pay twice that for their sh!tty food.

Government intervention isn't always the ace that people make it out to be. We should cut back national spending [especially military] and use the saved money to build up our infrastructure, passing tax reforms that make it possible for business owners to pay their workers more, without government mandates, by cutting the cost of living.

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Unless you’re talking about cutting military spending by at least 99% you can **** off.

If you just pulled food stamps and disability from people who wanted cold cash instead

We need those safeguards for people who can’t budget at all or are vulnerable to the vampiric criminal sector that keeps an eagle eye out for people to exploit.

Out of all the ****ing ways to pay for it - taking food stamps and disability? ****ing Christ
I don't know about cutting military spending by 99%, but a HUGE cut needs to be done for, sure.

Food stamp eligibility is based on income. If you get UBI, it would most likely de facto make you ineligible for food stamps. Under disability, you are only allowed to earn a certain amount each month on top of your disability. UBI would count toward that amount, and any difference would be deducted from your disability payments, I assume.

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Capitalism needs to be destroyed not reformed.
Capitalism isn't inherently bad, but when it's governed by bad people with bad interests and devolves into Corporatism, then it needs to be gutted and we can start over.

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“Universal” means everyone in the family gets a grand, too.
In the countries that I have studied, UBI only applied to adults.
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Old 11-29-2018, 12:21 AM   #562 (permalink)
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But paying burger flippers and fry cooks $15/hour will double the price of the food. It already costs me almost $10 USD to eat at McDonalds. I refuse to pay twice that for their sh!tty food.

tax reforms that make it possible for business owners to pay their workers more, without government mandates, by cutting the cost of living.
no it doesn't, as evidenced by the cities that already have passed minimum wage increases

you can't inflate prices because consumers will buy less, you have to cut the profits of shareholders

inversely when you cut taxes very little of that money makes it to workers, most of it is pocketed by shareholders
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no it doesn't, as evidenced by the cities that already have passed minimum wage increases

you can't inflate prices because consumers will buy less, you have to cut the profits of shareholders

inversely when you cut taxes very little of that money makes it to workers, most of it is pocketed by shareholders
You're trying to tell me that an increase in operating costs doesn't increase the price of goods produced and services offered? GTFOH.

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that is not what I'm saying

you're falsely assuming the costs are passed 100% to the consumer when in reality the majority of it is absorbed by the shareholders

McD can not pass the costs to the consumers because as you say, they will refuse to pay that much
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that is not what I'm saying

you're falsely assuming the costs are passed 100% to the consumer when in reality the majority of it is absorbed by the shareholders

McD can not pass the costs to the consumers because as you say, they will refuse to pay that much
That makes more sense
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Old 11-29-2018, 06:17 AM   #566 (permalink)
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I do not believe that raising minimum wage will raise the price of a hamburger

One reason is evidence: hamburgers cost about the same wherever you go

Another is I don’t believe that it will affect supply or demand.

The owner of a restaurant doesn’t think oh this hamburger takes $1 to produce so $3 is a reasonable price. The owner sets the price at whatever will make him the most money. If he figures it’s $2 it’ll cost $2 if he figures it’s $50 it’ll be $50. It might be two for a dollar if that loss leader will make him money.

But anyway the cost of bumping the minimum wage will be passed on to the owner or the shareholders like elph said. If they could pass it on to you it would already be passed on to you. It’s not like anything is priced in a way that isn’t designed to maximize profits.
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