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Old 12-18-2018, 09:32 PM   #651 (permalink)
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Old 12-18-2018, 09:32 PM   #652 (permalink)
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Also, people are generally not fit to make value assessments about their own work compared to others..
as compared to the marketplace which has decided Bezos is worth a billion times a normal worker?

can you really swallow that as a realistic assessment of what he contributes
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Old 12-18-2018, 09:33 PM   #653 (permalink)
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Rather than this boring discussion, let's talk about things that would actually change the game. UBI is one aspect of what lies ahead, but this other stuff will eventually eliminate scarcity in regards to a lot of what we eat, which will in turn have a fairly large impact on society.

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I'm just gonna see myself out as I have nothing else to add due to my own ignorance.
Dont be so hard on yourself, elph is just expressing hyperbolic bias with no consideration for actual function or human behavior. It's so punk it hurts.
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Dont be so hard on yourself, elph is just expressing hyperbolic bias with no consideration for actual function or human behavior. It's so punk it hurts.
Oh it's all good. I know virtually nothing about this stuff. I just think it's good practice to at least know what your time is worth. I get that the work place isn't fair but that's not every work place.
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as compared to the marketplace which has decided Bezos is worth a billion times a normal worker?

can you really swallow that as a realistic assessment of what he contributes
I didn't say the marketplace has it right either. And you took that out of context for the point I was making to Ki.
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Oh it's all good. I know virtually nothing about this stuff. I just think it's good practice to at least know what your time is worth. I get that the work place isn't fair but that's not every work place.
by all means, in your case it's fine, I'm not passing a moral judgement

but wanting more wealth for exclusively yourself is greedy by definition

capitalism is meant to harness the power of greed
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Like it or not competition is part of biology. The problem is the lows are too low and the highs are too high, but a middle ground can exist that allows for financial/material inequality without human suffering and explotation.
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by all means, in your case it's fine, I'm not passing a moral judgement

but wanting more wealth for exclusively yourself is greedy by definition

capitalism is meant to harness the power of greed
I didn't think you were so it's all good. I think what's getting intertwined is im talking more about the middle class asking for a wage increase at a job they love over someone who has accumulated a lot of wealth in their career that they also love. Or hate. Idk. With someone who is already pretty well off, yeah I'd agree that asking for more is a bit greedy. Its like asking for a mansion when youve already got a boat. But again, that also comes down to what they decide to do with that wealth which brings us back to point A.
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Like it or not competition is part of biology.
but so is cooperation/solidarity

and it seems like our environment is what decides which of our traits are emphasized more
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